SJIB (Scottish) Certification Scheme SJiB Trade Card- Building inspector wont approve Garage conversion without one

[Homervanderjazz]

Hi folks, well I have recently had a garage conversion done and the builder got an electrician to do the electrics and provide an electrical installation certificate which was fine. However when I showed all these details to the building inspector he said he needed a copy of the electricians SJIB trade card which I dont have. I have contacted the builder who has said he has passed my message on but that the electrician has not got back to him yet. Now I am left in limbo as I need the completion certificate from the building inspector. So I guess I need advice on what I should do next? How expensive is it to have another electrician provide this certificate with a copy of his trade card? Thanks for any help

 

[malcolmsanford]

Over to the Scottish lads for this one

 

[Engineer54]

Well that'll stop any Electrical Trainee boys dead in there tracks in Scotland then!!!

 

[ian.settle1]

Well that'll stop any Electrical Trainee boys dead in there tracks in Scotland then!!!

When does it start here:17::teeth_smile:

 

[oldtimer]

In Scotland you can submit test certification "By Enquiry" or in other words by proof of qualification and calibration this means attaching a copy of the tester(s) calibration certificate(s) plus the front and back colour copies of the persons SJIB card that shows their picture NI number and qualifications.

As highlighted before some Scottish local authorities are demanding either Select or NiCEIC registration even although you are not legally obliged to do so because if this was the case they could be sued for stopping free trade. Yet again as I have said this needs to go to court to clear this matter up as I got pulled up by someone from Select who said you have to register so when I mentioned this goes against the Europan law of free trade I was told it was advisable to join.

 

[baldelectrician]

In Scotland you can submit test certification "By Enquiry" or in other words by proof of qualification and calibration this means attaching a copy of the tester(s) calibration certificate(s) plus the front and back colour copies of the persons SJIB card that shows their picture NI number and qualifications.

As highlighted before some Scottish local authorities are demanding either Select or NiCEIC registration even although you are not legally obliged to do so because if this was the case they could be sued for stopping free trade. Yet again as I have said this needs to go to court to clear this matter up as I got pulled up by someone from Select who said you have to register so when I mentioned this goes against the Europan law of free trade I was told it was advisable to join.

It's not as hard as that- you either meet the standards of SELECT / NICEIC App Contractor or are registered with them

The problem is that if you as 32 councils to tell you what they want to see you get 45 different answers. The usual rule is that you need a PIR from a SELECT / NICEIC registered contractor- they have not updated their records to ask for an EICR yet.

 

[oldtimer]

I can agree with this yes the problem is that they are not consistant plus they are either misinformed or you can get an individual who justs wants to dig in for the sake of showing power plus there is the urban myth grows where the customer phones and says are you Part P registered and you have to spend 20 minutes explaining that we dont have this in Scotland and the direct quote from Select is we will never have it.

 

[baldelectrician]

I can agree with this yes the problem is that they are not consistant plus they are either misinformed or you can get an individual who justs wants to dig in for the sake of showing power plus there is the urban myth grows where the customer phones and says are you Part P registered and you have to spend 20 minutes explaining that we dont have this in Scotland and the direct quote from Select is we will never have it.

If your are registered just say you fully meet the standards of Part P and are qualified and insured

 

[Dcf]

In Scotland any work with a building warrant needs certification of some sort.if the electrician is in select or niceic then they should issue a certificate of construction and bs7671 certificates.problem is that all the local authorities have different ideas of what is acceptable even though it was brought in 2005.ifthe spark that did the work is not registered as a certifier then get one that is to carry out a pir/ecr on the install ,this is usually accepted by the local building control.
as a rule of thumb I certify my own work and no one elses
hope this point u in the right direction

 

[Homervanderjazz]

Thanks for the input folks, how do I know if they have a SJIB trade card as when I am looking for electricians I find NICEIC registered electricians but there does not seem to be a mention of this card. Do all NICEIC registered electricians have the SJIB card? If anyone can help with this and is based in the Glasgow area please PM me.

 

[baldelectrician]

You need a SELECT or NICIEC registered electrician

I am south of Glasgow, but it will be cheaper to use somoene local.
It's up to you to ensure you use a registered company, I suggest the SELECT find a contractor website facility.

Be aware many contractors won't sign off others work as a matter of principle

 

[mogga]

ASK for SJIB card should also have a CSCS holograph on it as for glasgow area the l.A.B.C all seem to have different ideas about what is correct as said before if you sent a question to all l.A.s then you would get 32 different answers or more depending who you spoke 2 as they probably couldnt agree how much sugar to put in their own tea

 

[Homervanderjazz]

Right folks I have been in touch with the planning inspector and explained the situation, he has said the following-

"Any electrician who can provide SELECT or NICEIC forms can check the electrical work. Where you get a new electrician in, they may not want to sign off the wiring, as they have not installed it, but they can use a periodic test report for the garage instead, where they have checked that the installation is safe "