Electric towel rail install at end of the bath

Fred Faulkner · Sep 13, 2014

Hi, ive been asked by a cleint if i can install there new towel rail at the end of thier bath high up above the taps , this would be in zone one...

if the towel rail is above ipx4 and spur is positioned outside the bathroom at high level and protected by and RCD would ths be acceptable...

thanks to anyone who takes the time to help !

HappyHippyDad · Sep 13, 2014

I cant see anything wrong with that Fred.

IPx4 for zone 1 (plus have a look at the maufacturers instructions before you or the customer gets the towel radiator)

The only thing I would be thinking of is the flex outlet plate, is that going to be IPx4?

Also the work is notifiable.

Fred Faulkner · Sep 13, 2014

Yeah that is a concern but im thinking if they sell a towel rail which is fed from the top amd have the flex plate high up would be in zone two then?

Make me right if im wrong mate!

Plonker 3 · Sep 13, 2014

If the flex is long enough take it through a connection unit and connect it directly into the isolator without cutting it, or if it's not extend it and heat shrink it so you can do this.

Geordie Spark · Sep 13, 2014

Fred Faulkner said:
Hi, ive been asked by a client if i can install their new towel rail at the end of their bath high up above the taps , this would be in zone one...

if the towel rail is above ipx4 and spur is positioned outside the bathroom at high level and protected by and RCD would this be acceptable...

thanks to anyone who takes the time to help !

Corrected that for you .... there will be no charge.

HappyHippyDad · Sep 13, 2014

Fred Faulkner said:
Yeah that is a concern but im thinking if they sell a towel rail which is fed from the top amd have the flex plate high up would be in zone two then?

Make me right if im wrong mate!

I always make sure the flex outlet plate is outside the zones. If you're going to bring the flex down from above it will have to be above 2.25m then it goes from 'zone 1' to 'outside zone' (even above a bath), but thats still a pretty long, dangly, unsitely piece of flex coming down!

Couldn't you take the flex through the wall and have the outlet plate outside the bathroom?

GMES · Sep 13, 2014

Geordie Spark said:
Corrected that for you .... there will be no charge.

I was going to do the very same thing, but I have come to learn it is not nice to jump on new members straight away.:laugh3:

Octopus · Sep 13, 2014

I asked the Elecsa helpline this very question a few years back.

Their advice was that as the "only" connection would be an outlet plate, and with the cable exiting "downwards" there would be no problem. The outlet plate being in the zone wasn't relevent as its not a switch/plug

HappyHippyDad · Sep 13, 2014

Murdoch said:
I asked the Elecsa helpline this very question a few years back.

Their advice was that as the "only" connection would be an outlet plate, and with the cable exiting "downwards" there would be no problem. The outlet plate being in the zone wasn't relevent as its not a switch/plug

How do you feel about that Murdoch? I dont think I be comfortable putting an outlet plate (if there was a connection inside) in zone 1 as there's not going to be a watertight seal against the wall.

Octopus · Sep 13, 2014

happyhippydad said:
How do you feel about that Murdoch? I dont think I be comfortable putting an outlet plate (if there was a connection inside) in zone 1 as there's not going to be a watertight seal against the wall.

I did it!

The bathroom layout was done by a local "designer" company and there was no room for any changes!

dingledong · Sep 13, 2014

I don't think you can get a towel rail that has the heater at the top

HappyHippyDad · Sep 13, 2014

dingledong said:
I don't think you can get a towel rail that has the heater at the top

Thats why you become an electrician Dingle!! To solve these problems....

[ElectriciansForums.net] Electric towel rail install at end of the bath

bit of clever electrical special thingy stuff...

All done!! :smiley2:

(Please dont actually do this Fred!)

Geordie Spark · Sep 13, 2014

happyhippydad said:
How do you feel about that Murdoch? I dont think I be comfortable putting an outlet plate (if there was a connection inside) in zone 1 as there's not going to be a watertight seal against the wall.

Stuff the inside full of silicone and slap half a roll of Gafffer Tape over the outside of it .... Sorted!! :sailor:

Geordie Spark · Sep 13, 2014

GMES said:
I was going to do the very same thing, but I have come to learn it is not nice to jump on new members straight away.:laugh3:

Think of it like losing your viginity ... may as well get it over with in one swell foop and be done with it.

dingledong · Sep 13, 2014

happyhippydad said:
Thats why you become an electrician Dingle!! To solve these problems....

View attachment 26245

bit of clever electrical special thingy stuff...

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All done!! :smiley2:

(Please dont actually do this Fred!)

But the thermostat will be at the top and the towel rail will not get uniformly hot surely ?

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