Complete shambles.

Leesparkykent · Mar 19, 2015

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[ElectriciansForums.net] Complete shambles.

Went to survey a job for a pv install today and came across this mess lol.

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Tidy Max · Mar 20, 2015

PEG said:
Whenever i get that logic-free statement,i always tell the client the other side of that coin,and say "What never works,till it works,then never works?"....
you usually get a minute or two whilst you further probe their antique install,then they ask "Go on then,what is it?"....

You can then turn off your torch,step back from their intake with a pensive look,and reply "A Bomb".

I have lost the ability to be amazed,at the condition of some intake arrangements and their owners treatment of same....

I visited a large industrial unit,i know well,and was intrigued to find the reason why the incomer,switchgear,meters and fusing, were all dripping wet...A 1M by 3M array of MEM,BILL and GEC boxes,400A TP....A roof leak? Maybe a flood?

No,they had removed the cupboard around it,to open up another 150mm access at the door,found it to be very dusty (installed in 60's),and pressure washed the lot,from top to bottom! :dunce2:

My reply is usually "Well Harold Shipman worked for years too".

GB.Kayak · Mar 20, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
]Went to survey a job for a pv install today and came across this mess lol.

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... no burnt neutrals, check; no melting plastic enclosures, check; fuses in line only, check; double pole isolation, check; ... come on L, what on earth is your problem?

Note to all, I hadn't looked closely and noticed the 'lack of earthing' when I wrote the above!

Leesparkykent · Mar 20, 2015

GB.Kayak said:
... no burnt neutrals, check; no melting plastic enclosures, check; fuses in line only, check; double pole isolation, check; ... come on L, what on earth is your problem?

No main earth, no lid to 3way 3036 board amongst many other things! I can pass the customer your details if you like? I'll tell them I've found a numpty that is more than happy to install a new circuit with no cert. :icon12:

Diddy · Mar 20, 2015

I often wondered if taking a flyer round with the stats that show deaths last year in domestic dwellings from electrical fires caused by "aged" installations which have never been checked and have had all sorts added too over the years ect ect. It would probably be looked upon as scare mongering lol.

ruston · Mar 20, 2015

Think he meant that tongue in cheek Lee, that's the way I took it.

Leesparkykent · Mar 20, 2015

ruston said:
Think he meant that tongue in cheek Lee, that's the way I took it.

My bad lol, sorry GB.Kayak.

telectrix · Mar 20, 2015

typical installation in the farms round here. the 3036 fuses usually have a chunk of 1.5mm copper as a fuse, if, at some time, an innocent sparks has fitted a RCD, it will be bridged with whatever's handy, and all the livestock will tread warily.

ruston · Mar 20, 2015

Farm near me, like walking back in time. 3036 box no cover on, big hole in the shed roof right above it and the ip rating is a rotting fertilizer bag. TT no earth whatsoever.

GB.Kayak · Mar 20, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
No main earth, no lid to 3way 3036 board amongst many other things! I can pass the customer your details if you like? I'll tell them I've found a numpty that is more than happy to install a new circuit with no cert. :icon12:

I don't think that your customer would stomach the travel and subsistence costs! I find it interesting that so much effort is being invested to 'upgrade' 'historical' installations that may go on for years, 'safely' delivering their function, yet statistically a 'new' installation may appear much riskier. Though I imagine not in your capable hands L. It would be interesting, though I suspect very difficult to achieve, to look at current safety statistics from the perspectives of the 'age' of the installation and how much 'modification' has taken place.

GB.Kayak · Mar 20, 2015

ruston said:
Think he meant that tongue in cheek Lee, that's the way I took it.

I did very much so. However, like all insurance policies, you pays your money and takes your choice ... and do make sure that you read ALL the small print. At this point in time, although not compliant, the installation seems to be doing its job and has to the best of our knowledge not killed or injured someone ... YET!

GB.Kayak · Mar 20, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
My bad lol, sorry GB.Kayak.

No 'bad', no kayakers were hurt in the penning of this thread ... YET!

Leesparkykent · Mar 20, 2015

GB.Kayak said:
No 'bad', no kayakers were hurt in the penning of this thread ... YET!

It must be the thought of officially having a ball and chain placed round my ankle in 3 weeks time that's making me tense lol.

telectrix · Mar 20, 2015

lamb to the slaughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

GB.Kayak · Mar 20, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
It must be the thought of officially having a ball and chain placed round my ankle in 3 weeks time that's making me tense lol.

... looked at that way ... one wonders why you have chosen this course of action ... in my case, it is 20 years since we first met at Kingston Kayak Club in Hull. Though at this time it feels like climbing an overhanging cliff, and every day something is pushing us apart, the value of committing every day afresh to one another is what keeps both of us going!