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Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. :eek:mg_smile:

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baldelectrician said:
This is guidance in name only- it is MANDATORY and will form part of the new tenancy agreement which will also be mandatory from December 1st. Remember these EICR's from people who are not qualified are worthless- landlords need to know this.
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I've just read that document and all it says about electrical safety is:

"The Landlord must ensure that an electrical safety inspection is carried out at least every five years consisting of an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR) and Portable Appliance Testing (PAT) on appliances provided by the Landlord. The EICR must be completed by a suitably competent person."

So we're back to the question of how we define a "a suitably competent person." Instead of vague statements such as this, why not just legislate to the effect that only electricians who are registered with SELECT and/or NICEIC, or who possess a formal qualification in electrical installation PLUS a formal qualification in inspection and testing of electrical installations PLUS a current BS 7671 qualification PLUS at least five years post-apprenticeship/college experience are allowed to carry-out EICRs? Only when specific criteria that defines what a "suitably competent person" actually is, can we then begin to ascertain who is not competent, and only then can the much-needed and long-overdue weeding-out process begin.

One other thing I suggested to SELECT (for the second year in a row - not acted on) was to ask councils to include a leaflet in the private rental sector changes with the new council tax bills from April- this would mean that (at little extra cost) all households will have the info inside their council tax bill and it will raise standards and knowlege
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That was a good idea. Why wasn't it implemented?
 
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JK-Electrical said:
I've just read that document and all it says about electrical safety is:


So we're back to the question of how we define a "a suitably competent person."
A competent person is in SELECT / NICIEC or can complete appendix A
I helped put the appendix A thing in (see below)

Instead of vague statements such as this, why not just legislate to the effect that only electricians who are registered with SELECT and/or NICEIC
It is illegal to have a closed shop and requires SELECT / NICIEC only.

That was a good idea. Why wasn't it implemented?
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SELECT / NICIEC are narrow minded - they think that a closed shop is the best idea
The Scottish Government took the NICIEC / SELECT or meet the standards of NICEIC / SELECT and put them in the legislation.
It took me to meet with the current (2014) housing minister and talk to her to get in contact with the civil servant doing the legislation (I mentioned the civil servant name to people in NICEIC and SELECT and they confirmed that they had meetings with this person but did not suggest a SELECT / NICIEC or standards of option.)
The option now means that you cannot get a smoke paper between the NICEIC / SELECT option and the alternative
 
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https://www.housingandpropertychamb...VATE RENTED PROPERTY - REVISED NOV 2016_0.pdf

  • I am a member of a professional body
  • I have public liability insurance (£2 million minimum is recommended)
  • I have professional indemnity insurance (£0.25 million is recommended for contractors undertaking electrical installation condition reporting)
  • I have completed appropriate assessed training on current version of BS7671 within the past 5 years
  • I can provide copies of wholesaler bills made out to entity trading
  • I can provide copies of trade qualification or equivalent

  • I have possession of a calibration certificate for test equipment for the work carried out

  • I can provide a copy of a written health and safety policy statement for the business

  • I have completed Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) Health & Safety Assessment within the past 3 years

  • I have been granted, or am eligible to be granted at least Approved Electrician grade.
 
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baldelectrician said:
https://www.housingandpropertychamber.scot/sites/default/files/hpc/SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT GUIDANCE ON ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS ND APPLIANCES IN PRIVATE RENTED PROPERTY - REVISED NOV 2016_0.pdf

  • I am a member of a professional body
  • I have public liability insurance (£2 million minimum is recommended)
  • I have professional indemnity insurance (£0.25 million is recommended for contractors undertaking electrical installation condition reporting)
  • I have completed appropriate assessed training on current version of BS7671 within the past 5 years
  • I can provide copies of wholesaler bills made out to entity trading
  • I can provide copies of trade qualification or equivalent

  • I have possession of a calibration certificate for test equipment for the work carried out

  • I can provide a copy of a written health and safety policy statement for the business

  • I have completed Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) Health & Safety Assessment within the past 3 years

  • I have been granted, or am eligible to be granted at least Approved Electrician grade.
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That's annex A of the Scottish Government's Guidance on Electrical Installations and Appliances in Private Rented Property. My point is that the guidance isn't fit for the purpose. How can it be when there are people out there carrying-out EICRs who aren't approved electricians and/or don't have a current BS 7671?
 
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. . . . just when you thought you’d seen it all - priceless! Surely it would have been easier to do it properly, that just looks like hard work!
 
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To be fair it went pop in the evening so no places open to get a new one and he needed a shower.

He is replacing tomorrow and has isolated at the DB until its fixed. Still a bit mental though... :D
 
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Found this today, nothing to do with where I was working. It's on a wall in an alleyway, bizarrely on the outside edge of the wall rather than on the garden side. Had volts stick to hand which detected something was likely still live, and it had another T&E coming out of it hidden from view. I was working next door though. Might pop a flyer through their door for future reference!
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Here's a beauty for you, originally this installation would have had two 4 way Wylex boards, one for cooker,sockets and lighting, the other off peak for two heating circuits and immersion heater. [The property is a small bungalow on a site of nearly 300, built around 35 years ago].
I've done quite a few CU upgrades at this development and was asked to look at this work of genius by the owner who was having trouble with the off peak underfloor heating.
A single enclosure was fitted for all circuits [around 8-10 years ago I'm told but no paperwork and they can't remember the name...] One of the neutral tails has been removed from the block in the meter cabinet and the 'main switch' isolates the off peak live but also the sole neutral so all 24 hour circuits stop working although still live !
Apart from that timers were fitted for the 3 off peak circuits which is ridiculous and there's an interesting 'busbar' using 2x 2.5 brown singles,also cables of various sizes have been extended using 6mm straight
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through crimps. I'd love to know who the idiot was who carried out this atrocity but anyway I'm ripping it all out soon. :)
 
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