Basic FCU wiring question

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• Mar 18, 2018

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Dannyg8810 said:

Most council houses have the sockets behind were the appliance will be but have a switch near by for this

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Most councils will require an isolation switch for said socket.
I can’t speak for every council just the ones I have worked for.

 

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• Mar 18, 2018

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Must be a Sunday.

 

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• Mar 18, 2018

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Ian1981 said:

Really?
I used to work for a social housing contractor so have had my fill doing this.
I’ve seen plenty of sockets damaged due to pots and pans being whacked against said socket in a cupboard.

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and i've seen appliances sticking out from under the worktop because they foul the plug/socket behind.

 

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• Mar 18, 2018

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Ive never had such a problem as all new builds appliances have the sockets behind the appliance.
However if it’s such a problem then cut off plug and fit a unswitched fused spur, problem solved.

 

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• Mar 18, 2018

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I'd always put sockets for washing machines/dishwashers etc in adjacent base units , risk of damage can be minimised by sensible positioning. I just think it's bordering on idiocy to put connection points in behind heavy appliances.

 

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It’s not the position it’s what goes in it.
It’s got to go on to the hard side of a cupboard and not the flimsy back of the unit and most of the time will be on a surface mounted box.
Seen a few sockets smashed and the moulded plugs being put under strain/pressure because of overloaded cupboards.
How many times does the socket or plug require to be reached behind an appliance?
Usually when it’s renewed for another new appliance.
Not saying it’s poor practice just that saying a socket should never be behind an appliance is ludicrous.

 

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• Mar 18, 2018

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Doesn't the Building Regs require them to be fitted to the fabric of the building and not kitchen cabinets.

 

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westward10 said:

I wonder what will happen when the front plate is forced back on to that box after squashing in all those conductors.

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It's taken seven posts before someone posting regarding the surface box.

 

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• Mar 19, 2018

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westward10 said:

Doesn't the Building Regs require them to be fitted to the fabric of the building and not kitchen cabinets.

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I suppose that's another thing that could be interpreted in different ways, you could argue that a rigid base unit forming part of a permanent fixed kitchen is a part of the building fabric - if you have an island unit with the need for sockets or oven/hob supply you have no other option anyway.

 

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• Mar 19, 2018

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westward10 said:

Doesn't the Building Regs require them to be fitted to the fabric of the building and not kitchen cabinets.

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I have had this discussion,and the accepted reasoning,is that a permanently installed set of cabinets,are part of the fabric.

This alters,if they are the free-standing Habitat type of kitchen furniture,but then who would spend £15,000 on these,to find out the property is not mortgage worthy,due to having a "temporary,kitchen design"

Socket outlets,switching and many electrical accessories,are mounted in similar situations,such as built in wardrobes,closets,false walls and ceilings,where the position,material and methods are exactly the same as with kitchen units.

Obviously,the fitting of these requires care,design and appropriate methods...and thereby lies the rub...

 

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• Mar 19, 2018

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Obviously,the fitting of these requires care,design and appropriate methods...and thereby lies the rub.

this may behelpful:

 

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• Mar 19, 2018

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Lets hope SWD doesn't post a pic up for the above as well... It may be a bit different.....

 

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telectrix said:

Obviously,the fitting of these requires care,design and appropriate methods...and thereby lies the rub.

this may behelpful:

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Aaahh Ha! I grant you three wishes!...

My first wish,is for another electrician,to come,hack out this mess,and design and fit a useful and compliant replacement...

My second wish,is for the plasterer to come back,and make another nice job of it,so i can ring up the kitchen fitter,again...

My third and final wish,is that the kitchen fitter,has a sudden and unexplained,gross swelling of his gonads,whenever he is within 2 meters of anything made of chipboard...