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Hi all.

I'm currently renovating a house and have one particular requirement I'd like, if possible, sme suggestions.

One of the things I would like to do is put in stair edge lighting. I have found some nice ULV LED spots that I want to put into the stringer on the wall side. Now this is only 15mm deep, so, they have to be very low profile.

If this was the total requirement I would have no problems, but... You all knew a but was coming!

What I want to do is have them switched at the top and bottom by PIR's at floor level. this has a couple of problems. So, suggestions welcome.

- I have very little depth so was looking at using something like these:

ABB 6811 EB-500 - http://new.abb.com/products/ABB.DEBJE6800-0-2517

PDFMMINIL - 360° Flush Mount Linkable Mini PIR Sensor | Timeguard - http://www.timeguard.com/products/light/pir-presence-detectors/360-flush-mount-linkable-mini-pir-sensor

But they are too deep.

The actual requirements are:

- They need an ambient light sensor, so, only activate below 50-70 lux, and, have a timer set to about 1 min.

- I'm worried about strobing with the top and bottom triggering when someone walks up the stairs.

- To prevent the sensons conflicting I was thinking of actually using the PIR's to trigger a timer such as the below.

Time Switches Timers - http://www.hager.co.uk/product-catalogue/energy-distribution/modular-devices/timers/time-switches/38549.htm

Electronic Time Delay Switch IP20 - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Electrical/d190/Wired+Timers/sd2660/Electronic+Time+Delay+Switch+IP20/p17352

This would just then re-trigger the timeswitch / relay component and prevent the strobing.

Open to any opinions on the viability or method. Ideally I'd like to do everything at ULV, but, appreciate this may not be possible.

Many thanks for any help, and, time.

Regards

Dave
 
Hi all.

I'm currently renovating a house and have one particular requirement I'd like, if possible, sme suggestions.

One of the things I would like to do is put in stair edge lighting. I have found some nice ULV LED spots that I want to put into the stringer on the wall side. Now this is only 15mm deep, so, they have to be very low profile.

If this was the total requirement I would have no problems, but... You all knew a but was coming!

What I want to do is have them switched at the top and bottom by PIR's at floor level. this has a couple of problems. So, suggestions welcome.

- I have very little depth so was looking at using something like these:

ABB 6811 EB-500 - http://new.abb.com/products/ABB.DEBJE6800-0-2517

PDFMMINIL - 360° Flush Mount Linkable Mini PIR Sensor | Timeguard - http://www.timeguard.com/products/light/pir-presence-detectors/360-flush-mount-linkable-mini-pir-sensor

But they are too deep.

The actual requirements are:

- They need an ambient light sensor, so, only activate below 50-70 lux, and, have a timer set to about 1 min.

- I'm worried about strobing with the top and bottom triggering when someone walks up the stairs.

- To prevent the sensons conflicting I was thinking of actually using the PIR's to trigger a timer such as the below.

Time Switches Timers - http://www.hager.co.uk/product-catalogue/energy-distribution/modular-devices/timers/time-switches/38549.htm

Electronic Time Delay Switch IP20 - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Electrical/d190/Wired+Timers/sd2660/Electronic+Time+Delay+Switch+IP20/p17352

This would just then re-trigger the timeswitch / relay component and prevent the strobing.

Open to any opinions on the viability or method. Ideally I'd like to do everything at ULV, but, appreciate this may not be possible.

Many thanks for any help, and, time.

Regards

Dave
ULV do you mean ELV, SELV
 
Something like this?
[ElectriciansForums.net] Stair Lighting unusual switching
 
Look at deck light kits for the lights.

I dont know why you think you will get strobing or timing issues from using 2x pirs?

And if depth of the pir is a problem why not put it in the step so theres a void?
 
I’ve never seen a door with 4 hinges - that’ll be the strongest bit then!
That your old gaff SWD?
Thats was a property that I owned then redeveloped and sold this year. Also double Banham locks and a decent door frame.

You must have seen the photos as I have had the pee pee taken out of me.........
 
Ive only seen the one of the kitchen/diner the size of a football pitch - this time I'm genuinely interested! It a good picture of the stairs and door (like the colour too) I'm full of compliments today!
Thats was a property that I owned then redeveloped and sold this year. Also double Banham locks and a decent door frame.

You must have seen the photos as I have had the pee pee taken out of me.........
 

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