Zero to hero bashing

7671 · Jun 14, 2018

There always seems to be a lot of people bashing those that complete a career change later in life by completing some short courses. Today I came across the cabling in the picture whilst completing a rewire and as you can see terrible standards have been around a while and can only presume this work work was completed by a time served god

[ElectriciansForums.net] Zero to hero bashing

Dillb · Jun 14, 2018

Of course no one ever used to do electrics unless they were time served. Dont see what your getting at here.

ruston · Jun 14, 2018

Or the wires were there first and the plumber cut through them and repaired them like that.

Andy78 · Jun 14, 2018

7671 said:
There always seems to be a lot of people bashing those that complete a career change later in life by completing some short courses. Today I came across the cabling in the picture whilst completing a rewire and as you can see terrible standards have been around a while and can only presume this work work was completed by a time served godView attachment 42781

You're dismissing the possible actions of the diyer and plumber here.....

buzzlightyear · Jun 14, 2018

7671 said:
There always seems to be a lot of people bashing those that complete a career change later in life by completing some short courses. Today I came across the cabling in the picture whilst completing a rewire and as you can see terrible standards have been around a while and can only presume this work work was completed by a time served god

snap.

mattg4321 · Jun 14, 2018

Nobody will ever change my opinion that someone who does 4/5 years training will almost without fail be better than someone who does 4/5 weeks. Clearly over time the difference can be narrowed if the Electrical Trainee is someone willing to put the hours in to learn by themselves, however they shouldn't be let loose on jobs without having the proper guidance over a decent length of time - on site.

Karin · Jun 14, 2018

this should be fun..

sweet or salted.. ?

buzzlightyear · Jun 14, 2018

Karin said:
sweet or salted..

pop corn ,me box of crunchy nuts with milk

StephenRowley · Jun 14, 2018

Karin said:
this should be fun..

sweet or salted.. ?

I quite partial to sweet and salty

buzzlightyear · Jun 14, 2018

StephenRowley said:
I quite partial to sweet and salty[/QUOTEl]

is it yellow corn.

AJshep · Jun 14, 2018

Of course it's a time severed electrician..

They don't have time to teach people how to wire lighting, joint box method in one of these 5 week courses !

Where was that, under the floor on the landing by any chance ?

buzzlightyear · Jun 14, 2018

those cables have been their from the dawn of time after gas .they are the old Ashley screw down boxes .

AJshep · Jun 14, 2018

buzzlightyear said:
those cables have been their from the dawn of time after gas .they are the old Ashley screw down boxes .

A Electrical Trainee has tried to add to it though, nice use of bit of green and yellow sleeving and a couple of connector blocks...

sparkdog · Jun 14, 2018

Probably to an acceptable standard at the time it was done.

ipf · Jun 14, 2018

I wonder which is more dangerous, that, or these, done by a pair of 400v cowboys in recent times?

Guess what's what with 3 phase lighting extension box?

How to rewire a 2 gang d.p. switch?

...and how to make a 3 phase supply go Bang!

sparkdog · Jun 15, 2018

400V nutters.

DPG · Jun 15, 2018

OP, I can't see how you could possibly know whether it was done by an electrician or it was a DIY job by the householder.

Pete999 · Jun 15, 2018

7671 said:
There always seems to be a lot of people bashing those that complete a career change later in life by completing some short courses. Today I came across the cabling in the picture whilst completing a rewire and as you can see terrible standards have been around a while and can only presume this work work was completed by a time served godView attachment 42781

Well it wasn't me!!

Pete999 · Jun 15, 2018

7671 said:
There always seems to be a lot of people bashing those that complete a career change later in life by completing some short courses. Today I came across the cabling in the picture whilst completing a rewire and as you can see terrible standards have been around a while and can only presume this work work was completed by a time served godView attachment 42781

Well it wasn't me!!

Pete999 · Jun 15, 2018

Karin said:
this should be fun..

sweet or salted.. ?

Some Crunchie bars are better not so much noise so you can hear more of the BS being bandied about.

Intoelectrics · Jun 15, 2018

7671 said:
There always seems to be a lot of people bashing those that complete a career change later in life by completing some short courses. Today I came across the cabling in the picture whilst completing a rewire and as you can see terrible standards have been around a while and can only presume this work work was completed by a time served god

I don't think anyone should be "bashed" for changing their career at anytime in their life. But your argument is unfair towards the experienced trades-person.

Whether a person is time served qualified or a 5 week wonder has no bearing on their personal capabilities, I've seen good and bad from both. But a time served trades person, in general, has far more experience and can be taught far more over a longer period of time.

The bottom line is, you can't teach somebody everything in a short period of time. You can't teach experience and the greatest lessons come from experience.

Who would you trust the most if you fell ill?

A doctor who had studied medicine over a long period of time and had actual long term work experience alongside established professionals.
Or someone who is probably capable, but only had studied on a short course in the basics of medicine, with no actual long term on the job experience?
Both may well be equally capable, but who would you trust your life with?

Andy78 · Jun 15, 2018

DPG said:
OP, I can't see how you could possibly know whether it was done by an electrician or it was a DIY job by the householder.

Exactly, presumptions and assumptions have been made. Not the sort of mindset associated with a properly trained individual adept at logical processes such as fault finding. Must be a zero to hero trait.

Squid · Jun 15, 2018

I am just wondering how the OP got in to my house and lifted the floorboards up to take a photo without me noticing (goes off to check CCTV)

7029 dave · Jun 15, 2018

Alas, the era of them JB'S , no part p, no notifiable jobs to building control, no scams (unless you wanted to join), no Electrical Trainee, bring them times back.!!! Anyway could be worse choc blocks everywhere. lol

ipf · Jun 15, 2018

7029 dave said:
Alas, the era of them JB'S , no part p, no notifiable jobs to building control, no scams (unless you wanted to join), no Electrical Trainee, bring them times back.!!! Anyway could be worse choc blocks everywhere. lol

There were no 'scams' or 'schemes'....full stop. If you were NICEIC or ECA it meant something....not that there weren't good and well qualified electricians, besides. Unfortunately, those times are long gone.
Mind you, so have the vir days with the porcelain screw cons, I hope. Used to see old houses littered with them.
Capping and casing was an art, though.

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