Stroma Certification Scheme 1st Stroma assessment

Pete999 · Sep 18, 2018

rolyberkin said:
I had to produce both copies of BS7671 and On Site Guides. The argument being that you could now implement 18th edition if you wanted to or continue with 17th am3 until 1st Jan. I think if you did not have 18th they would put it down as a non conformity.

Obviously not a large enough envelope Mate, Law unto themselves these people, trouble is they hold the upper hand.

Fitzy · Sep 18, 2018

happyhippydad said:
Stroma insist on the following..
1. Complaints procedure.
2. Complaints ledger.
3. Complaints list.
4. PL insurance (minimum £2 million)
5. Pdf or booklet of building regs (explanatory booklet).
6. Pdf or hard copy of Part P.
7. Pdf or hard copy of up to date EAWR.
8. Bs7671 AND on site guide.
9. Health and safety sheet.
10. Risk assessment.
11. Calibration certificate.

I can't think of any others.
Try to relax, they are not there to fail you.
It's unlikely you'll have all the bits they require on your first assessment. They'll Just put it down as a non conformity and ask you to rectify it.

We all still get nervous on assessment date!

When you say Health & Safety Sheet and Risk Assessment, what do we actually need? Is it just a basic H&S sheet or an electrician specific sheet and the risk assessment, is that for the work you’re showing them or a genetic risk assessment guide?

Fitzy · Sep 18, 2018

happyhippydad said:
Stroma insist on the following..
1. Complaints procedure.
2. Complaints ledger.
3. Complaints list.
4. PL insurance (minimum £2 million)
5. Pdf or booklet of building regs (explanatory booklet).
6. Pdf or hard copy of Part P.
7. Pdf or hard copy of up to date EAWR.
8. Bs7671 AND on site guide.
9. Health and safety sheet.
10. Risk assessment.
11. Calibration certificate.

I can't think of any others.
Try to relax, they are not there to fail you.
It's unlikely you'll have all the bits they require on your first assessment. They'll Just put it down as a non conformity and ask you to rectify it.

We all still get nervous on assessment date!

When you say Health & Safety Sheet and Risk Assessment, what do we actually need? Is it just a basic H&S sheet or an electrician specific sheet and the risk assessment, is that for the work you’re showing them or a genetic risk assessment guide?

ChrisElectrical88 · Sep 18, 2018

Had our first assesment today, NIC. After the initial part of nerves etc it went well. Went to 3 jobs, carried out a range of tests at each of them. Answered questions he had on why we did certain things from the regs, eg where does it say what size earth bond should be in place and what IP rating should the bathroom fan be to name a couple. Asked the reasons behind each test. Went through the 18th edition, changes and that i need to do the update before 01.01.2019.

I had everything set out ready in plastic wallets so it was easy to hand him things as he asked for them duribg the office audit. Made a few coffees.

I have done 3 previous inspections as a QS but this was defibatly the most nervy.

Dillb · Sep 18, 2018

Tim collins said:
Hi everyone got my 1st assessment coming up with Stroma / a governing body

Thats a good one

Pete999 · Sep 18, 2018

Dillb said:
Thats a good one

the definition of governing - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/governing

Marti · Sep 18, 2018

Murdoch said:
17th edition exam and books or 18th?

Serious question

Appreciate the clarity. I have both versions, reg's and OSG. 17th is well tagged. The big blue book still need some attention.

Test circuits are lighting and sockets on a mini-CCU and TT earth. All the T&E is in plastic Kopex and glanded. SWA earthed at the far (out building) end, not the house CCU. SWA is 200mm above ground, attached to the concrete fence posts; can't see the fence being a "permanent structure".

...Tea bags are Yorkshire Gold and biscuits are choccy.

HappyHippyDad · Sep 18, 2018

Fitzy said:
When you say Health & Safety Sheet and Risk Assessment, what do we actually need? Is it just a basic H&S sheet or an electrician specific sheet and the risk assessment, is that for the work you’re showing them or a genetic risk assessment guide?

Here are mine. I realise they don't look very professional but Stroma are happy with them. As a small sole trader the only time they come out is to show the assessor once a year.

[ElectriciansForums.net] 1st Stroma assessment

-Matt · Sep 18, 2018

On a similar subject...

I have my Niceic Domestic installers annual assessment in two weeks time.

My problem is i have done hardly any domestic work in the last 6 months, as its been mostly commercial. Most of the domestic has been little filler jobs.

So i am struggling to find a domestic job i can take the assessor to, where the home owner will also be at the time.

Does anyone know if i can show a commercial job on a domestic installers assessment?
Im guessing no!

Im seriously concidering ditching them now i do little Domestic, but seems they have already had my £500....

Deleted account · Sep 18, 2018

My assesment was yesterday. Nic. One of my jobs was commercial. No problems.

As for stroma. They seem to do there assessments over the phone so should be easy.

Fitzy · Sep 18, 2018

happyhippydad said:
Here are mine. I realise they don't look very professional but Stroma are happy with them. As a small sole trader the only time they come out is to show the assessor once a year.

Thanks happhippydad, went to the Link on your examples and if I’ve read & understood the hse.gov webpage correctly I don’t need to complete either form as I don’t employ 5 or more people, in fact it’s only Moir. But I’ll still create an editable PDF in case I’m asked for them.

rolyberkin · Sep 18, 2018

Pete999 said:
Obviously not a large enough envelope Mate, Law unto themselves these people, trouble is they hold the upper hand.

Stroma are simply 100% by the rules, a shame some of the other schemes aren't as far as I am concerned!

markc123 · Sep 20, 2018

Murdoch said:
The Stroma assessment is far stricter than the Elecsa assessment

Make sure your sample jobs are 100% spot on and your certificates are also prefect...

Not sure I agree here Murdoch.

I’ve been elecsa , niceic and napit in my time and they’re all embarrassing. The questions they ask are so blooming basic, a drunk monkey could pass.

It would be nice, if just once an assessor asks me something relevant but niche e.g something that’s not the norm, but could quite likely raise its head on any given job.

Examples would be:
1) Lightning Protection
2) Installation of cables outside zones (non bathroom)
3) Part M
4) Emergency Lighting
5) Non-Copper CPCs

None of the above is relatively difficult to either understand or follow; but I’m getting increasingly tired of so called “electricians” that know how to wire a socket, a light and maybe just maybe underfloor heating at a push. The basics of house bashing. Give them anything outside of this and they’re completely useless.

Marti · Sep 21, 2018

markc123 said:
I’ve been elecsa , niceic and napit in my time and they’re all embarrassing. The questions they ask are so blooming basic, a drunk monkey could pass.
.........
The basics of house bashing. Give them anything outside of this and they’re completely useless.

It's about being inquisitive I suspect. Recently I repaired a cement mixer for a landscaper. That led to "can you 'ave a look at the concrete breaker" and so on; as much for my own interest as the payment. Long may such learning opportunities continue.

By the same score, sparks who take on a job they haven't prepared for / can't handle, get paid and then call for the answer - yea right!

Taylortwocities · Sep 21, 2018

@Tim collins Have you had your assessment yet? How did it go?

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