Freelance kitchen fitter doing electrical work.

Andy-1960 · Dec 15, 2018

Popped in my Sisters house earlier today to see how she was getting on having a new kitchen fitted.
First impressions were quite good, install of units so far seemed good, new floor was good, my sister then pointed out the new sockets that he had installed.
Sockets were loose ready for him to tile behind, had a quick look - radial feed from existing socket outlet feeding three doubles and the spur for the cooker extractor and earth sleeving in sight, cables run diagonally, so many errors in such a small job. Highlighted this to my sister, but she just wants kitchen finished for Christmas and doesn’t want it to cost her any more money as putting it right now means undoing quite a lot of work.
I’m not happy, but guess this guy will get away with it as he has many times before no doubt.
I know where he’s fed it all from, so I will fit a spur on the radial when he’s gone.
Oh.. his method for proving dead... a neon screwdriver!
Thing is, how do we stop these people doing this?

buzzlightyear · Dec 15, 2018

Andy-1960 said:
Popped in my Sisters house earlier today to see how she was getting on having a new kitchen fitted.
First impressions were quite good, install of units so far seemed good, new floor was good, my sister then pointed out the new sockets that he had installed.
Sockets were loose ready for him to tile behind, had a quick look - radial feed from existing socket outlet feeding three doubles and the spur for the cooker extractor and earth sleeving in sight, cables run diagonally, so many errors in such a small job. Highlighted this to my sister, but she just wants kitchen finished for Christmas and doesn’t want it to cost her any more money as putting it right now means undoing quite a lot of work.
I’m not happy, but guess this guy will get away with it as he has many times before no doubt.
I know where he’s fed it all from, so I will fit a spur on the radial when he’s gone.
Oh.. his method for proving dead... a neon screwdriver!
Thing is, how do we stop these people doing this?

your sister knows best ,wait till xmas and S88t hits the fan ,and starts ring you .lecky off ,can I come to you house for xmas dinner.

Strima · Dec 15, 2018

I do like sorting out their mess....

[ElectriciansForums.net] Freelance kitchen fitter doing electrical work.

buzzlightyear · Dec 15, 2018

Strima said:
I do like sorting out their mess..

was that done by botch & scarper electrics

Rpa07 · Dec 15, 2018

That 4th photo is like when you remove a JB from an outside wall and you’ve got a spider that you know is swearing at you for disturbing him (or her)!

Vortigern said:
Here's another kitchen fitter special. Doing some PAT for landlord to let and came across this on the electric ignition on the hob. Just as well the test picked it up eh!

View attachment 46451

Vorty, so many things wrong in such a small space! Sheesh!

Toneyz · Dec 15, 2018

Leesparkykent said:
Any electrical work in a dwelling falls under part P. The only thing that changed was if the carried out work needed to be notified due to location or type of work. In England adding an extra socket in a kitchen would not be notifiable unless it was a new circuit.

So there would be no need to join a scheme.

magnoliafan89 · Dec 15, 2018

Dam these electricians always stating that installs that have been working for years are unsafe...that and testing...theyre just making more work for themsleves...its only 3 wires not rocket science........

FatAlan · Dec 15, 2018

Andy-1960 said:
Popped in my Sisters house earlier today to see how she was getting on having a new kitchen fitted.
First impressions were quite good, install of units so far seemed good, new floor was good, my sister then pointed out the new sockets that he had installed.
Sockets were loose ready for him to tile behind, had a quick look - radial feed from existing socket outlet feeding three doubles and the spur for the cooker extractor and earth sleeving in sight, cables run diagonally, so many errors in such a small job. Highlighted this to my sister, but she just wants kitchen finished for Christmas and doesn’t want it to cost her any more money as putting it right now means undoing quite a lot of work.
I’m not happy, but guess this guy will get away with it as he has many times before no doubt.
I know where he’s fed it all from, so I will fit a spur on the radial when he’s gone.
Oh.. his method for proving dead... a neon screwdriver!
Thing is, how do we stop these people doing this?

Is the kitchen fitter by any chance working on behalf of one of the well known kitchen design and supply companies?

hasel5 · Dec 16, 2018

Still waiting this underfloor heating install be tested a notified could be interesting

ChrisElectrical88 · Dec 16, 2018

I remember about 15 years ago, i was just starting as an apprentice and my parents were having a new kitchen. I remember the kitchen fitter doing small chases well out of zones and just tiling over them, incorrect size cable etc. Didnt have the confidence after a few weeks in the job to highlight it, but even i knew it was wrong back then. Parents moved out after 2 years and the new owner re wired it so it didnt cause any long term issues.

Cowboys.

pirate · Dec 16, 2018

I think you'll find it's "the love of money" is the root of all evil...
and the love of easy money, regardless of the consequences, is the true root of evil in the trades...
these days, the big 4x4 and the disregard for others, the arrogance and the lack of concern , these are the trademarks of the kuuuuuuuuuuuunts in the trades...
hate them!
Shame them!
...and they'll carry on regardless.

SparkieMarky · Dec 17, 2018

I seem to come across a lot of this sort of thing (like everyone else here I suspect). Sadly it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference whether they are part of a scheme or not as I see some atrocious work supposedly carried out by competent persons. Personally I don't think part P works at all and is just another pointless money ground. It certainly hasn't done much to drive poor workmanship out of domestic electrical work!

Most recent job was on a house that had been rewired around 5 years ago, homeowner had building control cert but hadn't been given an electrical installation certificate. Considering the quality of workmanship I wasn't surprised and they were supposedly a member of one of the more reputable schemes!

Considering it was modest 3 bedroom house that had been extended to include a fourth bedroom they had been left with 5 socket circuits and 4 lighting circuits, a new cooker cable that had been damaged when it was pulled in, hidden non maintenance free junction boxes all over the place, unsupported cables, undersized main earth and more. The image below shows the state that the service head etc. was left in.

telectrix · Dec 17, 2018

SparkieMarky said:
I seem to come across a lot of this sort of thing (like everyone else here I suspect). Sadly it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference whether they are part of a scheme or not as I see some atrocious work supposedly carried out by competent persons. Personally I don't think part P works at all and is just another pointless money ground. It certainly hasn't done much to drive poor workmanship out of domestic electrical work!

Most recent job was on a house that had been rewired around 5 years ago, homeowner had building control cert but hadn't been given an electrical installation certificate. Considering the quality of workmanship I wasn't surprised and they were supposedly a member of one of the more reputable schemes!

Considering it was modest 3 bedroom house that had been extended to include a fourth bedroom they had been left with 5 socket circuits and 4 lighting circuits, a new cooker cable that had been damaged when it was pulled in, hidden non maintenance free junction boxes all over the place, unsupported cables, undersized main earth and more. The image below shows the state that the service head etc. was left in.

View attachment 46523

did spiderman install that mess?

Deuce · Dec 17, 2018

Andy-1960 said:
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Oh.. his method for proving dead... a neon screwdriver!
Thing is, how do we stop these people doing this?

Just wait for their screwdriver to give a false negative.. It'll happen at some point.

I actually had to steal my old mans one and replace it with a cheap tester to stop him using it!!

I had already pointed out that they were far from infallible. "What if the lamp fails or the connection fails, how would you know!?" I said. "I would know as it wouldn't light up anymore" was the reply.

pe2dave · Dec 22, 2018

You can see your sisters pov? I want it done - not do it twice?
I guess the advice would have held at the start, tell him your brother will be doing a full inspection afterwards, or something similar?

Malcolm · Dec 22, 2018

We got a call from a customer saying a socket in the living room had stopped working a couple of weeks ago. Could we sort it out by xmas.
The socket turned out to be a spur from a socket in the kitchen which was done about 12 years ago.
I wish I had taken a picture, but inside there were three 2.5 T&E cables and three, 3 terminal, terminal blocks. So each of the three lives were in its own terminal block. With the same for the neutrals and the earths. Then in the middle terminal block of each they had a two inch piece of 4mm which went into the socket. So the two outer cores did nothing.
When we took the kitchen socket off, four of the wire fell out. Obviously there was no testing when the kitchen was done otherwise it would have been picked up.

Freelance kitchen fitter doing electrical work.

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