BG slides on SPD's and AFDD's

Octopus · Jan 11, 2019

Got sent this today by an independent wholesaler and thought it would be interesting to see peoples comments

Happy reading / viewing

GMES · Jan 11, 2019

Murdoch said:
My last word on the subject ......... because the alert in question is abused as convincingly proved by the idiot yesterday

Just get rid of it ........... or allow trolls like him to stir the pot.

When are you going to accept that you don't make the rules on here and as for having the last word on the subject, here it is, one more accusation from you about staff and rogue accounts without proof will see you Banned immediately.

Octopus · Jan 11, 2019

GMES said:
When are you going to accept that you don't make the rules on here and as for having the last word on the subject, here it is, one more accusation from you about staff and rogue accounts without proof will see you Banned immediately.

you are ALL missing the point.

And my statement about the account was spot on .............. as confirmed

People can also have multiple accounts ....

freddo · Jan 11, 2019

I would have liked to have seen an answer to this paragraph:

Since the introduction of the regulation there have been many questions raised by the installers as to whether these devices are a necessary piece of equipment, mainly due to the lack of confidence in the devices and the initial cost of the product (£150 Approx.)

Deleted member 9648 · Jan 11, 2019

happyhippydad said:
They also say you have to find out the number of lightning strikes in the area you are installing as part of the assessment. I can just imagine having to contact the weather department everytime I fit a new CU .

The rate of expected lightning strikes in a given area are shown on a map of the UK in the BBB. No need to contact Carol Kirkwood....(sadly)

DPG · Jan 11, 2019

I predict a warm front.

Deleted member 9648 · Jan 11, 2019

DPG said:
I predict a warm front.

Indeed, plenty going on there.

Sintra · Jan 11, 2019

Murdoch said:
I think that Flick is one of the staff in disguise ... tricky to prove ...

Im going to rate that as dumb.

Murdoch said:
One of the staff members revealed last year there are profiles they use to test things ....

Already explained that before and as quote below.

Sintra said:
As I’ve already explained to you in another thread yes we do have a profile we use to test things and it’s @Testaccount. I really don’t see why you need to persist on continually stirring the pot

Murdoch said:
My last word on the subject ......... because the alert in question is abused as convincingly proved by the idiot yesterday

Just get rid of it ........... or allow trolls like him to stir the pot.

It’s been abused a lot more by your good self and you won’t let it rest.

GMES said:
When are you going to accept that you don't make the rules on here and as for having the last word on the subject, here it is, one more accusation from you about staff and rogue accounts without proof will see you Banned immediately.

You have been warned.

Murdoch said:
you are ALL missing the point.

And my statement about the account was spot on .............. as confirmed

People can also have multiple accounts ....

No you’re missing the point. Your statement about the account was not spot on as you well know. Finally so as I can have the last word, you can have a holiday from the forum for consistent trolling over the last few days.

Markyd · Jan 12, 2019

Premises with sleeping accommodation Locations with risk of fire due the nature processed or stored materials (barns, wood-working shops, stores of combustible materials) ........... So i take it that any domestic dwelling with a garage that has power must have an AFDD for lighting and socket circuits......or is a car with petrol not considered combustible material

Pete999 · Jan 12, 2019

Murdoch said:
Got sent this today by an independent wholesaler and thought it would be interesting to see peoples comments

Happy reading / viewing

Just read this, can't understand why someone has given you a "DUMB"

Midwest · Jan 12, 2019

I haven't got the BBB or done any reading on the subject, but from Murdochs link;

SPD's 'reg 443.5......….except for single dwelling units where the total value of the installation and equipment therein, does not justify such protection'. No mention there of carrying out the risk assessment.
AFDD's are only recommended.

So for a 'standard' domestic property, I can not see the IET are suggesting/recommending/requiring any of these devices to be fitted?

Baddegg · Jan 12, 2019

Far as I can see, the only person in a domestic setting that can put a value on anything is the owner not the installer, make a note on any certs....discussed and recommend spds & affds, customer declined

.....I stand by my previous statement on all this, having the manufacturers on the committee is akin to mcvities recommending you eat more biscuits!

Midwest · Jan 12, 2019

Markyd said:
So i take it that any domestic dwelling with a garage that has power must have an AFDD for lighting and socket circuits......or is a car with petrol not considered combustible material

The example premises, are those that already have process in place because of the high risk of fire.

A motor vehicle has been designed under normal circumstances, not to spontaneously combust (don't tell Zafira owners that), therefore an integral garage wouldn't require AFDD's.

However, if the garage had an internal car charger, the design might be different.

Baddegg · Jan 12, 2019

Bit more food for thought.....I just wondering where the home owner would stand with they insurance companies though if the worst was to happen and the insurers find out they declined the spds and adds...

Midwest · Jan 12, 2019

Sintra said:
No you’re missing the point. Your statement about the account was not spot on as you well know. Finally so as I can have the last word, you can have a holiday from the forum for consistent trolling over the last few days.

Out of interest @Sintra, what happened to the other member FLICK? Takes two to make an argument.

Ian1981 · Jan 12, 2019

[ElectriciansForums.net] BG slides on SPD's and AFDD's

Overvoltage protection SHALL be provided for the 4 indents given above.
There is no get out risk assessment for these 4 conditions.
For all other cases then a risk assessment can be done.
A risk assessment is not applicable to domestic dwellings, you either fit one by what the cost therin etc etc or you don’t fit one but it’s definitely not a must for domestic installations.

AFDD,S are only a recommendation and unless a client wants to fork out a substantial amount of money for them, then they do not have to be installed