Vehicle charging install

Electreacle · Jul 2, 2021

Hi all…
I am an apprentice in my 2nd year… A friend of a friend has a vehicle charging kit, SWA etc etc.. all kit provided…
I feel confident in installing this but wondering would I have to provide a certificate etc?
They want it done as mates rates.

Fitzy · Jul 3, 2021

EV chargers are “notifiable jobs’ as they need their own circuit, are you a member of a CPS scheme? Do you have an MFT that can test EV chargers? I personally don’t do ’mates rates’, causes too many issues further down the line, if I don’t do the job, they’ll have to pay full price anyway.

Dustydazzler · Jul 3, 2021

How do you learn if you never have a go at these installations ?

sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do the job . The only thing is you will need a certificate to complete the job. Can your employer assist you with this after you do the job

Zdb · Jul 3, 2021

Remember that you have to notify the DNO either before or after, depending on the size of the charger and the cutout fuse with the increased maximum demand.

I have attached one example of the form used for notification.

telectrix · Jul 3, 2021

or get mate to buy a house next door to Tesco. ??

Zdb · Jul 3, 2021

[ElectriciansForums.net] Vehicle charging install

Dustydazzler · Jul 3, 2021

The first EV charger manufacturer who puts their charger on a 13a Plugtop will be the winner

telectrix · Jul 3, 2021

as long as the plugtop combines with a plugbottom to constitute a plug. if you call a plug a plugtop, do you call the socket as plugbottom?

Electreacle · Jul 3, 2021

Fitzy said:
EV chargers are “notifiable jobs’ as they need their own circuit, are you a member of a CPS scheme? Do you have an MFT that can test EV chargers? I personally don’t do ’mates rates’, causes too many issues further down the line, if I don’t do the job, they’ll have to pay full price anyway.

I’m not a member of an CPS Scheme. I do own a MFT. Would the testing just include all dead tests, ZS, RCD and pfc? Or is there an additional test required?
Thanks for your advice ?

Midwest · Jul 3, 2021

Who and how carries out the 'Load Survey'?

Gavin John Hyde · Jul 3, 2021

Dustydazzler said:
The first EV charger manufacturer who puts their charger on a 13a Plugtop will be the winner

Cars come with 10a granny chargers for thst purpose

Gavin John Hyde · Jul 3, 2021

Electreacle said:
I’m not a member of an CPS Scheme. I do own a MFT. Would the testing just include all dead tests, ZS, RCD and pfc? Or is there an additional test required?
Thanks for your advice ?

The better chargers now stipulate a functional test of the charger using an evse adaptor. Essentially the functional test requirement.on the cert.
It verifies the controller and contactor operate at each charge state.
In terms of load survey you carry it out but can approach dno to discuss. I have a project at the moment where the company want 6 32amp chargers and 2 dc rapid chargers!!
For the single phase they will need to ok the other 2 phases of.the.supply.made live. For the dc rapid charging they will need a new 3 phase supply as together those two chargers will need 50amps each!!

Dustydazzler · Jul 3, 2021

There must be a lot of domestic homes where a 32a-50a Ev charger just isn’t going to happem due to load issues on a single phase 100a supply

how are European countries getting round this issue where some areas only supply a 40a supply to homes ? I know some are 3phase but you are restricted to around 16a per phase

Midwest · Jul 3, 2021

Midwest said:
Who and how carries out the 'Load Survey'?

I've quickly googled that, and theirs various links on that subject. Don't think the ole guide from Appendix A in the OSG really cuts the mustard anymore, especially when EVERYONE will have to have EV's.

Taylortwocities · Jul 3, 2021

Electreacle said:
Hi all…
I am an apprentice in my 2nd year… A friend of a friend has a vehicle charging kit, SWA etc etc.. all kit provided…
I feel confident in installing this but wondering would I have to provide a certificate etc?
They want it done as mates rates.

As with any electrical work, an installation certificate is necessary. Your friend won’t be able to take advantage of the government grant for the charger install unless you are an authorised OZEV installer.
Unless your are fully competent in all of the EV requirements (in your regs book!) and with the RCD and earthing rules (you may need an earth rod) and have public liability insurance I would council you not to do your friend this as a favour.

littlespark · Jul 3, 2021

I recently did an electric vehicle charging course, and it didn’t come across to me as straight forward.

The install is actually the easy bit. However the paperwork apparently takes just as long to do.
You need to be a member of a cps, you need to tell the DNO so they can plan future for the projected load increase on their network, and dvla.
You also need to be registered with one or more manufacturers to be able to claim the grant scheme.

your mate of a mate would be better off buying new, and getting an installer with all this in place so they can get the grant.

As for the increase in network load, there would be a practice of load shedding….
See, those smart meters do have a purpose.

telectrix · Jul 3, 2021

For the dc rapid charging they will need a new 3 phase supply as together those two chargers will need 50amps each!!

just bung each one on a 30A 3036. ???

telectrix · Jul 3, 2021

I would council you not to do your friend this as a favour.

counsel, meaning advise. council is for paying your council tax to.

littlespark · Jul 3, 2021

Telectrix, the pendant. ?

telectrix · Jul 3, 2021

littlespark said:
Telectrix, the pendant. ?

bored out of my skull, no work on atm, pi$$ing down, one bright spot being my new Veto Pro Pac toolbag. loaded it up with tools yesterday. awesome.

timhoward · Jul 3, 2021

There is an unwritten rule that any job you do 'mates rates' or as a favour will invariably have everything stacked against you from start to finish and take 4 times as long as a normal paying customer.

Deleted account · Jul 3, 2021

littlespark said:
I recently did an electric vehicle charging course, and it didn’t come across to me as straight forward.

The install is actually the easy bit. However the paperwork apparently takes just as long to do.
You need to be a member of a cps, you need to tell the DNO so they can plan future for the projected load increase on their network, and dvla.
You also need to be registered with one or more manufacturers to be able to claim the grant scheme.

your mate of a mate would be better off buying new, and getting an installer with all this in place so they can get the grant.

As for the increase in network load, there would be a practice of load shedding….
See, those smart meters do have a purpose.

Absolutely agree.

its not as simple as live neutral earth. Done.

Tt or not to TT. Not straight forward at all. So many factors need to be considered.

the course taught me that I wouldn’t be installing them any time soon.

hasel5 · Jul 3, 2021

telectrix said:
or get mate to buy a house next door to Tesco. ??

That will be one of ours then if in Tesco and they are free to charge on unless a rapid

Zerax · Jul 3, 2021

I suggest that the OP does alot more research on the subject of EV chargers before he gets involved... there are many aspects to consider. And whilst it grieves me to recommend an IET publication, I think a good read-through of a copy of Electric Vehicle Charging Equipment Installation Code of Practice would be beneficial.

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