cable identification(shower)

saint elmo · Aug 4, 2021

hi im redoing the bathroom and the 9.5kw shower is on this cable which has burnt at the connector block at some point its on a B32 MCB

im not sure what size this cable is, measuring the cable width it looks to be 6mm2 measuring the conductor looks to be a 10mm2

the diameter of the individual conductors is between 4-5mm

the width of the overall cable is about 14mm

the earth is significantly smaller, slightly thicker than a 2.5mm2 conductor

pictured next to 2.5mm2 cable for comparison

when i put everything through the IEC calculator it says the earth size should be the same as live and neutral cable wrong anyway?

littlespark · Aug 4, 2021

With twin and earth cable, the cpc (earth) is smaller…. Perfectly ok.

I would say it’s 6.00mm as it’s a solid cpc (2.5mm size)
With 10mm, the cpc is stranded (4.0mm size)

just curious, but where was that connector block?

saint elmo · Aug 4, 2021

[ElectriciansForums.net] cable identification(shower)

part of the shower

saint elmo · Aug 4, 2021

littlespark said:
With twin and earth cable, the cpc (earth) is smaller…. Perfectly ok.

I would say it’s 6.00mm as it’s a solid cpc (2.5mm size)
With 10mm, the cpc is stranded (4.0mm size)

just curious, but where was that connector block?

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Mikegh · Aug 4, 2021

Looks like 240v 9.5 shower so breaker is undersized probably

saint elmo · Aug 4, 2021

Mikegh said:
Looks like 240v 9.5 shower so breaker is undersized probably

yea im in the UK so 240v in reality 230v in theory.
breaker is undersized and by the sounds of it the cable too

Mikegh · Aug 4, 2021

2nd pic of burnt out terminals recently

Common problem

I reckon plumbers and DIY are responsible for most of it, most trained sparks know to tighten the connections

littlespark · Aug 4, 2021

I just find it strange that a plastic connector is screwed down like that…. And I know that’s the way everyone does it.
Metal screw possibly cutting into the plastic, reducing the insulating material and creating a weakened path between the live copper and the cpc through the screw.

Not the problem here, I should add.

This is simply a loose connection causing heat

Mikegh · Aug 4, 2021

I was curious was that the original terminal block

saint elmo · Aug 4, 2021

Mikegh said:
I was curious was that the original terminal block

yes its the original i looked at plumbing spares for the model and they want over £18 for a new one!

saint elmo · Aug 4, 2021

so can anyone else confirm this to be a 6mm cable?

timhoward · Aug 4, 2021

I’m 99% sure it is looking at that, as above comparing the 2.5mm cpc with the 2.5mm T+E it looks spot on.

(If you have a micrometer you can just halve the measurement of a single strand, multiple by itself then PI, then by the number of strands (usually 7) to double check.)

Mikegh · Aug 4, 2021

Almost certainly by the looks of it

littlespark · Aug 4, 2021

Just a thought…. Have a look on the grey sheath of the cable, it sometimes has the size marked into it

LukeD · Aug 4, 2021

I have a thing about electric showers. I dont like using them and would never ever have one

DPG · Aug 4, 2021

LukeD said:
I have a thing about electric showers. I dont like using them and would never ever have one

Lol. Is there a name for such a fear?

Pete999 · Aug 4, 2021

littlespark said:
Just a thought…. Have a look on the grey sheath of the cable, it sometimes has the size marked into it

Instead of mucking around cutting strands etc, try and work out the cable route distance, measure the resistance, look in the OSG or 7671 and check th /e mili ohm per meter and work it out from that. just a thought.

Mikegh · Aug 4, 2021

There was at least a couple of deaths here (Ireland) back in the day but they were badly installed

DPG · Aug 4, 2021

Pete999 said:
Instead of mucking around cutting strands etc, try and work out the cable route distance, measure the resistance, look in the OSG or 7671 and check th /e mili ohm per meter and work it out from that. just a thought.

If he doesn't know whether a cable is 6mm or 10mm then I suspect he's not going to have a copy if BS7671 and an Ohmeter. I don't think the OP is a spark Pete.

Pete999 · Aug 4, 2021

DPG said:
If he doesn't know whether a cable is 6mm or 10mm then I suspect he's not going to have a copy if BS7671 and an Ohmeter. I don't think the OP is a spark Pete.

He says he is a trainee electrician

DPG said:
If he doesn't know whether a cable is 6mm or 10mm then I suspect he's not going to have a copy if BS7671 and an Ohmeter. I don't think the OP is a spark Pete.

The OPs profile says he is a Trainee Electrician and has 2365 so deductions would say he should own or have accessv to BS 7671 BUT YOUR POINT IS A VALID ONE

DPG · Aug 4, 2021

Pete999 said:
He says he is a trainee electrician

The OPs profile says he is a Trainee Electrician and has 2365 so deductions would say he should own or have accessv to BS 7671 BUT YOUR POINT IS A VALID ONE

Ah sorry, my mistake. Been a long day!

telectrix · Aug 4, 2021

LukeD said:
I have a thing about electric showers. I dont like using them and would never ever have one

i hate showers full stop. wirth a bath, I can have a smoke, JD perched on the bath rim, er' indoors to wash my back (in between JD refills), roll on next Xmas.

loz2754 · Aug 4, 2021

telectrix said:
i hate showers full stop. wirth a bath, I can have a smoke, JD perched on the bath rim, er' indoors to wash my back (in between JD refills), roll on next Xmas.

Let's start a revolution- "shove yer shower...
bath is best!"

telectrix · Aug 4, 2021

save the planet,,,,,, shower in the rain, bath in the canal

NB> no environment was harmed during the production of the above masterpiece.

Pete999 · Aug 4, 2021

DPG said:
Ah sorry, my mistake. Been a long day!

For me as well Mate been down to Bath to sort out some faults for my sister in law, knees are shot as is my back, gets home and my cooker is busted simple to fix though lamp gone took out cart fuse in plug top, didn't help me knees though

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