Someones in trouble....!

LukeD · Nov 3, 2021

someone I know asked me to do a EICR fast "as a favour" . Turns out he has had a 2 bed flat re decorated and was hoping he might be able to skip past the electrics and gas . But gas was fine and £75 later he has a GS cert and all is well.

Then I turn up....and its a nightmare for him . Needs Consumer (plastic above front door) , and lots more . Gets angry as I wont let him have a "ticket to rent" . I hand keys back. Next morning after I spoke to the letting agency . Sure as hell he rocks up with a EICR thats "all good" . Letting agency Bins him as a customer which I applaud and they then send a copy of the EICR to the guys scheme and council etc . Now the EICR guy might be "genuine" but a fool .Or I would guess he is a "Drive buy " who has software almost 90 % pre filled and he bangs in date and details .

Thats me off his Christmas list . Best thing that ever happened .

buzzlightyear · Nov 3, 2021

Good for you, I hope the land lord can sleep easily think what have done.

LukeD · Nov 3, 2021

The annual rent is £18400 and he wants a 2 year contract . The work needed would add up to £730.00 max .But he wont care and I always have a habit of hating bad landlords that think its ok to skimp over possible safety issues and have Tenants moaning that stuff wont work etc . He now has to Find a new Agency and have the work done .Possible delay ...maybe a month min . What a waster .

Gavin John Hyde · Nov 3, 2021

Well done the letting agent as some of them would let a death trap if it adds to the profits.

Dustydazzler · Nov 3, 2021

I have been asked plenty times to issue a satisfactory Eirc on a property that I have had a quick look round and I know full well won't be safe to rent out so I pass on the Eicr right from the get go

I honestly don't need the £650 that badly that I would falsify an Eicr for a properly where I know that the electrical installation is unsafe

But I know plenty of sparks for a few hundred quid will issue a bogus Eicr and think nothing of it

There are plenty crocked people out there who would sell their nan for a couple grand

IAmSparkytus! · Nov 3, 2021

LukeD said:
someone I know asked me to do a EICR fast "as a favour" . Turns out he has had a 2 bed flat re decorated and was hoping he might be able to skip past the electrics and gas . But gas was fine and £75 later he has a GS cert and all is well.

Then I turn up....and its a nightmare for him . Needs Consumer (plastic above front door) , and lots more . Gets angry as I wont let him have a "ticket to rent" . I hand keys back. Next morning after I spoke to the letting agency . Sure as hell he rocks up with a EICR thats "all good" . Letting agency Bins him as a customer which I applaud and they then send a copy of the EICR to the guys scheme and council etc . Now the EICR guy might be "genuine" but a fool .Or I would guess he is a "Drive buy " who has software almost 90 % pre filled and he bangs in date and details .

Thats me off his Christmas list . Best thing that ever happened .

I hope you got paid but can see this being one of those situations where the customer refuses?

ipf · Nov 3, 2021

LukeD said:
The annual rent is £18400 and he wants a 2 year contract . The work needed would add up to £730.00 max .But he wont care and I always have a habit of hating bad landlords that think its ok to skimp over possible safety issues and have Tenants moaning that stuff wont work etc . He now has to Find a new Agency and have the work done .Possible delay ...maybe a month min . What a waster .

£730....so that's 2 weeks rent for a 2 bed flat?
Where abouts, Mayfair?

Gavin John Hyde · Nov 3, 2021

Dustydazzler said:
I have been asked plenty times to issue a satisfactory Eirc on a property that I have had a quick look round and I know full well won't be safe to rent out so I pass on the Eicr right from the get go

I honestly don't need the £650 that badly that I would falsify an Eicr for a properly where I know that the electrical installation is unsafe

But I know plenty of sparks for a few hundred quid will issue a bogus Eicr and think nothing of it

There are plenty crocked people out there who would sell their nan for a couple grand

I have it on reliable grounds there is a 'spark' in the Bristol area in and around Barton Hill who will issue a satisfactory EICR for a property no questions asked for cash payment. he uses a fake name or copies another firms details... so no come back to him. The somali community in Bristol is quite insular and some of the properties are damn right unsafe, the landlords dont care and always find a way to fiddle the system to avoid repairs etc..

LukeD · Nov 3, 2021

Gavin John Hyde said:
I have it on reliable grounds there is a 'spark' in the Bristol area in and around Barton Hill who will issue a satisfactory EICR for a property no questions asked for cash payment. he uses a fake name or copies another firms details... so no come back to him. The somali community in Bristol is quite insular and some of the properties are damn right unsafe, the landlords dont care and always find a way to fiddle the system to avoid repairs etc..

Yep.... I knew of one Corgi guy years ago that sold "books" of landlords certs for £50 each .He was making huge money .Then one day .Something happened and he was off to sunny spain same day

LukeD · Nov 3, 2021

ipf said:
£730....so that's 2 weeks rent for a 2 bed flat?
Where abouts, Mayfair?

Mayfair ..You can pay 11k a month for a 2 bed !. A few houses in Belgravia are north of £60 k a month

ipf · Nov 4, 2021

LukeD said:
Mayfair ..You can pay 11k a month for a 2 bed !. A few houses in Belgravia are north of £60 k a month

We can jest sometimes, pal ?

suffolkspark · Nov 4, 2021

LukeD said:
Then I turn up....and its a nightmare for him . Needs Consumer (plastic above front door)

That's only a C3 doesn't need changing on those grounds

LukeD · Nov 4, 2021

suffolkspark said:
That's only a C3 doesn't need changing on those grounds

I thought it was a C2 due to been next to a landing that is the single fire escape for 4 other flats ??

westward10 · Nov 4, 2021

LukeD said:
I thought it was a C2 due to been next to a landing that is the single fire escape for 4 other flats ??

Is that quoted in BS7671.

UNG · Nov 4, 2021

LukeD said:
someone I know asked me to do a EICR fast "as a favour" . Turns out he has had a 2 bed flat re decorated and was hoping he might be able to skip past the electrics and gas . But gas was fine and £75 later he has a GS cert and all is well.

Then I turn up....and its a nightmare for him . Needs Consumer (plastic above front door) , and lots more . Gets angry as I wont let him have a "ticket to rent" . I hand keys back. Next morning after I spoke to the letting agency . Sure as hell he rocks up with a EICR thats "all good" . Letting agency Bins him as a customer which I applaud and they then send a copy of the EICR to the guys scheme and council etc . Now the EICR guy might be "genuine" but a fool .Or I would guess he is a "Drive buy " who has software almost 90 % pre filled and he bangs in date and details .

Thats me off his Christmas list . Best thing that ever happened .

Sounds like the letting agent takes their "duty of care" seriously which has to be applauded, the problem is not all letting agents have the same morels
No doubt the scheme will do nothing regarding the complaint as the letting agent is not the customer / client requesting the work, for me if the scheme do nothing I would suggest the letting agent elevate the complaint to UKAS who authorise the schemes to operate
As for the landlord what a ----er

7029 dave · Nov 4, 2021

Greed thats what it boils down too, god I hate L/L

IAmSparkytus! · Nov 4, 2021

7029 dave said:
Greed thats what it boils down too, god I hate L/L

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LukeD · Nov 4, 2021

westward10 said:
Is that quoted in BS7671.

Going to read into that . But for me , I would much rather go hard than soft .

Dustydazzler · Nov 4, 2021

Does premature collapse of cable include a consumer unit ???

I'm not so sure that it does

LukeD · Nov 4, 2021

Dustydazzler said:
Does premature collapse of cable include a consumer unit ???

I'm not so sure that it does

I think it all makes sense to someone .But for me I hardly do them and I hate the buggers . The whole thing is a farce

DPG · Nov 4, 2021

LukeD said:
Going to read into that . But for me , I would much rather go hard than soft .

Fnaar fnaar

Aaron b · Nov 8, 2021

I'm not sure if anyone cares with the post being a few days old... I wanted to double-check this myself to see if plastic boards are really the devil and a hazard, in this situation I could see how the regulation could be considered retrospectively. Electrical Safety First best practice guide 4 has plastic distribution boards in escape routes as a C3 or just noted if not. If other aspects of the system were shonky I am sure you would be justified upping to a code 2 (especially if it was an MK board). The fact that he dismissed your concerns and got it sorted so quickly sounds worrying.

LukeD · Nov 8, 2021

Aaron b said:
I'm not sure if anyone cares with the post being a few days old... I wanted to double-check this myself to see if plastic boards are really the devil and a hazard, in this situation I could see how the regulation could be considered retrospectively. Electrical Safety First best practice guide 4 has plastic distribution boards in escape routes as a C3 or just noted if not. If other aspects of the system were shonky I am sure you would be justified upping to a code 2 (especially if it was an MK board). The fact that he dismissed your concerns and got it sorted so quickly sounds worrying.

It was a "drive by" EICR . I was explaining the mess the industry is in to a client .And they could not believe just how "Privatised " the industry is

mainline · Dec 14, 2021

suffolkspark said:
That's only a C3 doesn't need changing on those grounds

Totally agree with the c3 for the plastic CU

mainline · Dec 14, 2021

LukeD said:
I thought it was a C2 due to been next to a landing that is the single fire escape for 4 other flats ??

If the consumer unit is located under wooden staircase or within a sole route of escape from the premises, a code C3 classification (meaning that improvement is recommended) would be appropriate.

Was it a split load CU ? What other fails were there?