EICR - No Line or CPC Continuity on Ring

James said:

I disagree @Paignton pete and @buzzlightyear

This is an inspection only.

there is no further investigation required, a fault has been found in 2 conductors of a ring.
report it's condition as C2 and move on.

if it was not a ring, and the cpc was broken, It may well be a C1, no further investigation is required to find where it is broken. just report it and move on.

Obviously to fix the fault will require further investigation (AKA Fault Finding) as it has not been precisely located.

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mark101 said:

You can't report a C1 and move on you either have to fix it there and then or isolate that circuit. I have just today been to a job that someone else has inspected (eicr) and failed because there was no end to end continuity on house sockets r1 and rn but cpc was ok, I was asked to attend and fix the fault the other tester found. (I found the fault it was an incorrectly terminated spur unit) however this fault led to severe thermal damage on two of the sockets worse I have seen in a long time to be honest, back of skts melted away another day or 2 and this could of been much worse. This gave cause of concern to me as should the electrician who tested this leave the property knowing there was no continuity on the ring and knowing this can lead to excessive overload on the circuit

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DPG said:

Looks like that's had loose connections.

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vwes59 said:

Here's one I wasn't expecting on an EICR. Recently rewired and renovated 2-bed property (2015ish). Having an EICR as a new tenant to move in soon. No reported problems.

I expected to be in and out in about 3-4 hours to be honest, and as expected I found nothing wrong until I began my ring final tests. All the sockets had already tested fine during my visual check and quick test with my Kewtech tester. I was a little surprised to find this property only had the one ring with the combi boiler also hanging off it, given the board was a 10-way with 4 spare ways in it. Made me wonder why during the rewire the property wasn't split into an upstairs and downstairs ring, but anyway....

So, RN tested out fine, but R1 - open circuit, R2 - open circuit ! Oh joy. At this point the current tenant piped up and said "Should I have mentioned some of the sockets were getting hot ?!"

Anyway according to the Codebreakers guide I should be giving this a C2 (Actually I'm thinking of giving it an FI), and handing the report to the landlord. I admit I don't get many outright failures, but this one obviously is.

Anyway what I was going to ask is I'm assuming what I have here is a ring that's functioning as 2 overloaded radials, and somewhere both conductors have a break in them (It'll be just my luck that they will be in different locations). It can't be classed a C1 can it, as this fault could have been there for years, and another couple of days shouldn't hurt. What would you classify this as - C1, C2 or an FI ?

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oracle said:

Broken ring, sockets getting hot. 20 A accessories on 32A breaker? Fire risk. F1

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Ian1981 said:

An open circuit on any conductor on a ring final circuit should attract a C2. What limitations are preventing you inspecting and testing thus giving an FI code?
The FI code is massively misunderstood and misused, it should be used when a limitation in the inspection prevents you from assessing something and where did to the limitations, you suspect danger or potential danger.

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daud09 said:

I am going to disagree and advise that you should base the answer on your findings as your initially there to carry out a condition report. If you test a circuit and find there is no conrinuity of CPC and the problem is not starimg you in the face, then you write down FI in order to advise the client as per your findings. If you see a break in cable and again your remit is to report findings then you add C2 to the report. If however, your remit is to report and resolve then you write the code that applies. There is no science and secret behind codes. The issue is people reading too much into a simple task. C1 dangerous, C2 is potentially dangerous, C3 advisory and FI further investigation to determine result.

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daud09 said:

I am going to disagree and advise that you should base the answer on your findings as your initially there to carry out a condition report. If you test a circuit and find there is no conrinuity of CPC and the problem is not starimg you in the face, then you write down FI in order to advise the client as per your findings. If you see a break in cable and again your remit is to report findings then you add C2 to the report. If however, your remit is to report and resolve then you write the code that applies. There is no science and secret behind codes. The issue is people reading too much into a simple task. C1 dangerous, C2 is potentially dangerous, C3 advisory and FI further investigation to determine result.

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nicebutdim said:

The answer is in the last two letters of the acronym 'EICR'. If you're tasked with repairing anything you find, then any issues you resolved won't be coded - if you find a fault and can't repair it, then you report on the condition of the installation at the time of writing.

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7029 dave said:

I disagree, if open circuit has been confirmed on RFC then rectification is the next step not FI surely.?

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