when did the impact driver become the tool of choice to do terminals up ?

Dustydazzler · Aug 29, 2022

Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver

When did this become the norm ?

GBDamo · Aug 29, 2022

freddo said:
I don't think I'd use it for tightening terminals though.

Why, in these threads, do the anti camp always refer to 'tightening' when the pro camp always, and without fail, talk about running up, or nipping up prior to fully tightening.

Nobody, sane, is talking about tightening using an impact driver. That's not to deny 'they' are out there.

Equally useful is loosening, for example running open all the terminals on the bottom of MCBs before offering up the bus bar.

It's just progress, people making use of new technologies to make life easier.

freddo · Aug 29, 2022

GBDamo said:
Why, in these threads, do the anti camp always refer to 'tightening' when the pro camp always, and without fail, talk about running up, or nipping up prior to fully tightening.

I said I wouldn't use it for tightening, I didn't mention the other things... I wish I took a photo of the neutral bar that was returned to the wholesalers last year. The bloke installing it was tightening with an impact driver. So much force was applied that the bar split between a large section of the wire entry holes.

7029 dave · Aug 29, 2022

Its unnecessary to use such tools just dam right lazy.

GBDamo · Aug 29, 2022

7029 dave said:
Its unnecessary to use such tools just dam right lazy.

Show us you bit n brace then, Luddite

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timhoward · Aug 29, 2022

GBDamo said:
Show us you bit n brace then, Luddite.

You want one of these....

[ElectriciansForums.net] when did the impact driver become the tool of choice to do terminals up ?

GBDamo · Aug 29, 2022

timhoward said:
You want one of these....

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Remember getting a "good hiding" for knackering my old man's. Think it was either light sabre or sonic screwdriver related tomfoolery.

LukeD · Aug 29, 2022

GBDamo said:
No it isn't, it has a variable trigger or mine does.
It also doesn't "impact" until it reaches a certain resistance which engages the "hammer".

The "hammer" is actually two parts, one anvil attached to the bit holder and another spring-loaded anvil is driven by the motor. Only when enough resistance is met by the fixing will sufficient torque be applied by the motor for the spring to be compressed allowing the the anvils to ride over each other and apply the hammer action.

There's some good animation in this video that shows the anvils in motion.

I don't have this exact model and have to rely on my finger.

You can be surprisingly subtle with an impact before it starts to impact.

And at the point of impacting will it have reached the correct torque and what happens in that split second etc where its still running ? A small drill with controlled torque points and a nice action trigger is still superior as it will stop when told to !

GBDamo · Aug 29, 2022

LukeD said:
And at the point of impacting will it have reached the correct torque and what happens in that split second etc where its still running ? A small drill with controlled torque points and a nice action trigger is still superior as it will stop when told to !

You don't get anywhere near the point of impacting, it's called trigger discipline, the more you practice the better you get.

I can fix a plastic back box with it as well and without smashing the living love out of it.

My dentistry with it is still a work in progress though, not many willing volunteers to practice on.

Megawatt · Aug 30, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver

When did this become the norm ?

Dusty I can’t answer that but the young bucks have all there tools that is battery powered. We didn’t have technology in the old days. I’m not sure if they know how to use real tools without batteries.

Dustydazzler · Aug 30, 2022

Megawatt said:
Dusty I can’t answer that but the young bucks have all there tools that is battery powered. We didn’t have technology in the old days. I’m not sure if they know how to use real tools without batteries.

I think is the problem

The other day I watched a young lad trying to change a plug top using his 18v impact drill

pc1966 · Aug 30, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
I think is the problem

The other day I watched a young lad trying to change a plug top using his 18v impact drill

W.T.F?

Really, you have to wonder at times

LukeD · Aug 30, 2022

GBDamo said:
You don't get anywhere near the point of impacting, it's called trigger discipline, the more you practice the better you get.

I can fix a plastic back box with it as well and without smashing the living love out of it.

My dentistry with it is still a work in progress though, not many willing volunteers to practice on.

So unless you finish with a torque driver .How do you know you are within the level the RCBO is made for etc ? With a drill set with different torques , you can measure each...Or as I did , email festool and ask them !! Chances are if you took 100 people and asked them to use the festool and a impact , they will get it a lot closer with the festool etc ? As they cannot make the drill go past each setting just by using the trigger

Dustydazzler · Aug 30, 2022

No 2 impact drivers are the same either

I have a 18v Erbauer impact and an old 18v Hitchi impact and if I set them to say mid torque on the dial they will both screw to very different tightnesses

I reckon I could do a complete board swap with my old Hitachi as its trigger is very sensitive so I feel fairly confident I wouldn't mangle and terminals but the Erbauer is a bit all or nothing with its trigger so one false move and goodbye Rcbo screwhead

ferg · Aug 30, 2022

I have a Dewalt one which on it's lowest setting won't impact.

Like others I can use it to mount hard plastic boxes without worrying about cracking them.

GBDamo · Aug 30, 2022

LukeD said:
So unless you finish with a torque driver.

I think my first/second post on this thread states that's exactly what I do.

LukeD said:
How do you know you are within the level the RCBO is made for etc ?

Because my torque screwdriver is calibrated and the correct and recommended tool.

LukeD said:
With a drill set with different torques , you can measure each...Or as I did , email festool and ask them !! Chances are if you took 100 people and asked them to use the festool and a impact , they will get it a lot closer with the festool etc ? As they cannot make the drill go past each setting just by using the trigger

If that works for you and gives you the correct results then crack on but don't assume someone doing something differently to you doesn't know what they're doing.

There is, after all, more than one way to skin a cat.

littlespark · Aug 30, 2022

GBDamo said:
There is, after all, more than one way to skin a cat.

Don’t tell me you use an impact driver!

LukeD · Aug 30, 2022

GBDamo said:
I think my first/second post on this thread states that's exactly what I do.

Because my torque screwdriver is calibrated and the correct and recommended tool.

If that works for you and gives you the correct results then crack on but don't assume someone doing something differently to you doesn't know what they're doing.

There is, after all, more than one way to skin a cat.

I agree! I just think a drill with 1-11 torque settings is a better option

GBDamo · Aug 30, 2022

littlespark said:
Don’t tell me you use an impact driver!

Not always I but have, in combination with a torque screwdriver.

Petej999 · Aug 30, 2022

littlespark said:
Not watched… but is it an impact, or a torque setting on screwdriver?

I think you can get torque adapters for battery drills/drivers that are as exact as the hand held torque drivers from WERA/ WIHA ….. which is the preferred method of tightening terminals

Still as rough as a Badgers wotnot way of doing it

littlespark said:
Don’t tell me you use an impact driver!

If he is a Butcher he still does, but knot knowing him I can't be sure

ferg · Aug 30, 2022

GBDamo said:
Not always I but have, in combination with a torque screwdriver.

I'm trying very hard not to picture where exactly you put the torque driver while you skinned the cat with the impact driver.

Petej999 · Aug 30, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver

When did this become the norm ?

Celeb Spark??????????????? Celeb Money grabber you surely mean Mate, cus most of these "Celeb Sparks" have a cheek calling themselves Sparks, the Trade is dying a slow death.

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UNG · Aug 30, 2022

Petej999 said:
Celeb Spark??????????????? Celeb Money grabber you surely mean Mate, cus most of these "Celeb Sparks" have a cheek calling themselves Sparks, the Trade is dying a slow death.

Couldn't agree more and the slow death is rapidly speeding up

Dustydazzler · Aug 30, 2022

UNG said:
Couldn't agree more and the slow death is rapidly speeding up

Some of the new build lash-up wiring i have seen over the past 5-10 years , the trade died along time ago

7029 dave · Aug 30, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
Some of the new build lash-up wiring i have seen over the past 5-10 years , the trade died along time ago

Bloody disgraceful, definitely saw the best times in the late 70's to the late 80's IMO

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