Does this install need a rewire as suggested?

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

Hi.

Just about to purchase first home and asked the seller for a EICR as there was a new (ish) consumer unit but no certificate for it.

I can see that there is one major issue and that's been disconnected.

But apart from that bedroom/circuit does the rest the house need a rewire?

Any help would be very much appreciated

Julie. · Mar 30, 2023

On the basis of the items identified in the report I cannot see how it has been categorised as unsatisfactory.

There are only C3s - and not so many anyhow, it would have to have C1s and/or C2s to really be unsatisfactory.

Had the offending circuit remained live - then yes it would be unsatisfactory.

Obviously we can't actually see the state of the installation, but from that report, I would say it needs that one circuit sorted out (purely so you have sockets available in those areas), and should just sort the other C3s out whilst doing it.

I would ask why it is unsatisfactory if there are actually no C1s or C2s currently.

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

Julie. said:
On the basis of the items identified in the report I cannot see how it has been categorised as unsatisfactory.

There are only C3s - and not so many anyhow, it would have to have C1s and/or C2s to really be unsatisfactory.

Had the offending circuit remained live - then yes it would be unsatisfactory.

Obviously we can't actually see the state of the installation, but from that report, I would say it needs that one circuit sorted out (purely so you have sockets available in those areas), and should just sort the other C3s out whilst doing it.

I would ask why it is unsatisfactory if there are actually no C1s or C2s currently.

Thank you for the reply

Would the issue that no certificate for the CU installation has been given or any indication on the CU box. And then it's there just to cover their back that they require a brand new rewire.

DPG · Mar 30, 2023

Madness - they seek to have given you a fairly satisfactory report (after disconnecting the obviously faulty circuit), and then told you that the whole place needs a re-wire!

Did they say anything to you about why they recommended rewiring? There may be something we're not aware of.

Julie. · Mar 30, 2023

90% of places don't have an installation certificate, some may have had - but now lost, and many others never had them (although as time goes on, fewer and fewer should end up with no certificate).

The only point I think is that when the CU was replaced, there should have been a certificate issued, and proper notice to the local authority must have been made. (Assuming the new property is in Wales).

In fairness, this probably didn't happen, so it may be worth going through your solicitor to confirm that part P notification was done - if it wasn't perhaps that's a bit of leverage for you, but either way it's not too much to worry about

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

Julie. said:
90% of places don't have an installation certificate, some may have had - but now lost, and many others never had them (although as time goes on, fewer and fewer should end up with no certificate).

The only point I think is that when the CU was replaced, there should have been a certificate issued, and proper notice to the local authority must have been made. (Assuming the new property is in Wales).

In fairness, this probably didn't happen, so it may be worth going through your solicitor to confirm that part P notification was done - if it wasn't perhaps that's a bit of leverage for you, but either way it's not too much to worry about

No. There was no building control certificate which is why I requested an inspection be carried out. Only as the consumer unit looked fairly new (5 years and under) see photo below.

This photo was taken prior to the inspection

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

DPG said:
Madness - they seek to have given you a fairly satisfactory report (after disconnecting the obviously faulty circuit), and then told you that the whole place needs a re-wire!

Did they say anything to you about why they recommended rewiring? There may be something we're not aware of.

They didn't say.

It did throw me too as the rest of the installation to the naked eye looks ok. Otherwise it would have been more C1,2 (I assume).

Would one C1 which has now been disconnected have such a drastic issue as a full rewire. Surely just that circuit would need a new circuit or extended from the bedrooms that don't seem to have no earth in the cable.

Thank you both your advice it's very much appreciated

bill01803 · Mar 30, 2023

It isn't the correct cert for the date stated, it should be the new AMD 2 cert

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

bill01803 said:
It isn't the correct cert for the date stated, it should be the new AMD 2 cert

Don't quite follow.

This was carried out on the 08/03/23. Live in Wales (not sure if different)

Julie. · Mar 30, 2023

JackyBailey said:
Don't quite follow.

This was carried out on the 08/03/23. Live in Wales (not sure if different)

The form used for the report is the old version, the current regs are the 18th edition ammendment 2 and this has a different form/certificate to the one he used.

davesparks · Mar 30, 2023

JackyBailey said:
No. There was no building control certificate which is why I requested an inspection be carried out. Only as the consumer unit looked fairly new (5 years and under) see photo below.

This photo was taken prior to the inspection

The consumer unit in that picture doesn't match the EICR you have posted.

Circuit 4 on the EICR is a 16A socket circuit but in the CU appears to be a 6A lighting circuit.

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

davesparks said:
The consumer unit in that picture doesn't match the EICR you have posted.

Circuit 4 on the EICR is a 16A socket circuit but in the CU appears to be a 6A lighting circuit.

Yes just noticed that.

Is this worth phoning the company up and asking for a new report?

westward10 · Mar 30, 2023

I would be asking for a refund citing the findings in this thread or you will be seeking advice from the NICEIC, findings being they are not using the correct Report format and the schedule does not correlate to your consumer unit. I would also be asking can they be providing further information regarding it requires a rewire, can they substantiate this statement.

JackyBailey · Mar 30, 2023

This issue is i did not purchase it. I requested it as part of the buying process of the house.

HappyHippyDad · May 11, 2023

JackyBailey said:
This issue is i did not purchase it. I requested it as part of the buying process of the house.

In that case, if you haven't bought the house ask for £5000 off for the rewire!

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