Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

Darkwood · Mar 21, 2015

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago.

mg_smile:

Steve T · Oct 2, 2023

Friend of mine said her new Hive thermostat wasn't working properly

Can anyone see why...

Plumber did the install apparently

freddo · Oct 2, 2023

Steve T said:
Friend of mine said her new Hive thermostat wasn't working properly

On the positive side, think of how low her gas bill will be this winter!

Penguin · Oct 3, 2023

Darkwood said:
Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

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I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. mg_smile:

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Looks fine to me.!!!! But REALLY don’t like the Brown/Cream coloured role of Lino, to the left of photo.!

Penguin · Oct 3, 2023

Steve T said:
Friend of mine said her new Hive thermostat wasn't working properly

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Can anyone see why...

Plumber did the install apparently

Turn that rad OFF…!!

I charge the client a full days ££££

GroovyG · Oct 3, 2023

New way to connect a FCU. Done by - or at least under "supervision" of - a spark who was using NIC branded forms. Supplies this hand dryer.

nicebutdim · Oct 3, 2023

GroovyG said:
New way to connect a FCU. Done by - or at least under "supervision" of - a spark who was using NIC branded forms. Supplies this hand dryer.

Fancy junction box.

Simon47 · Oct 4, 2023

freddo said:
Newly added data points.

I've seen worse, much much worse !
Went to test the cabling left behind by one tenant when they vacated an office, only found 2 pairs connected but on some it was 12&45, others it was 36&78 (or something like that), but also with pairs swapped so 36&78 might appear on 12&45 on the other end. Plus a few where there was nothing connected according to the tester.
Story was that the previous tenant (also a client of ours) had several offices, when they left, they had their electrician separate the networks so each was separate. No offence intended, but like previous criticism of plumbers and alarm installers, "a few" electricians really shouldn't be let loose with network cabling - especially if they aren't prepared to invest in at least the most basic of test equipment.

So, anyone like to guess what was wrong ?

oscar21 · Oct 6, 2023

Simon47 said:
I've seen worse, much much worse !
Went to test the cabling left behind by one tenant when they vacated an office, only found 2 pairs connected but on some it was 12&45, others it was 36&78 (or something like that), but also with pairs swapped so 36&78 might appear on 12&45 on the other end. Plus a few where there was nothing connected according to the tester.
Story was that the previous tenant (also a client of ours) had several offices, when they left, they had their electrician separate the networks so each was separate. No offence intended, but like previous criticism of plumbers and alarm installers, "a few" electricians really shouldn't be let loose with network cabling - especially if they aren't prepared to invest in at least the most basic of test equipment.

So, anyone like to guess what was wrong ?

One worked to the A standard and the other the B standard.

oscar21 · Oct 6, 2023

GroovyG said:
New way to connect a FCU. Done by - or at least under "supervision" of - a spark who was using NIC branded forms. Supplies this hand dryer.

Where's the output from the spur, or is it bunched in with the T&E's

GroovyG · Oct 6, 2023

oscar21 said:
Where's the output from the spur, or is it bunched in with the T&E's

Indeed, it's in with the T&Es. As suggested above, "fancy junction box". Cautionary tale: always do the safe isolation thing and test everything.

DPG · Oct 6, 2023

oscar21 said:
Where's the output from the spur, or is it bunched in with the T&E's

I think they've wired it in with the feeds, hence nicebutdim's comment.

Simon47 · Oct 8, 2023

oscar21 said:
One worked to the A standard and the other the B standard.

More fun than that - mixing A and B would swap pairs butvstill leave 4 pairs connected. In this case, only 2 pairs were connected between any patch panel socket and wall socket.
Thise who've worked with network cabling for a while will know that the panels have different terminal layouts. This may or may not work ...
Some have the terminals like this :
45 12 36 78
Bl Or Gr Br
01
02
Bl Or Gr Br
45 12 36 78
i.e. all the terminals for port 1 are in a line on the top, with those for port 2 in a line at the bottom.
Some have tbe terminals like :
45 12 45 12
Bl Or Bl Or
1 2
Gr Br Gr Br
36 78 36 78

Needless to say, the clueless idiot didn't bother looking at the markings and used the wrong layout. So socket 1 had 2 pairs from port 1 and 2 pairs from port 2. Then socket 2 had the other 2 pairs from ports 1&2 ! And so it went, with the added bonus that none of the cables were numbered and he'd mixed a few of those up as well.
Basically had to pull all the cables off the panel, work out which was which (give the tone set an outing), and reterminate them.

On another occasion, the tenant took their cabinet and were supposed to leave the cabling. Something got lost in translation, as their lecky just chopped the bundle of cables - fortunately, leaving just enough length to re-use them (again, tone set job to work out which was which).

Other_Tucker · Oct 14, 2023

oscar21 said:
One worked to the A standard and the other the B standard.

American and British, it doesn't stand for those specifically but it's a good rule of thumb. Everyone use B for British across the board in the UK so there's never any major ---- ups.

brianmoooore · Oct 14, 2023

Other_Tucker said:
American and British, it doesn't stand for those specifically but it's a good rule of thumb. Everyone use B for British across the board.

I'll remember that - didn't realise it was that simple.
Bought my first RJ45 crimper back in the summer to make up half a dozen cables. All worked first time, except one 40m cable, so I invested in a cheap cable tester recommended in a thread on here. Soon found the problem using that. Master was sequencing 1,2,3...8, while the slave was sequencing 8,7,6...1 - I'd crimped one of the plugs on upside down. Could make out which is was through the translucent plastic of the plug, so five minutes later and one scrap plug, all was good.

mainline · Oct 14, 2023

brianmoooore said:
I'll remember that - didn't realise it was that simple.
Bought my first RJ45 crimper back in the summer to make up half a dozen cables. All worked first time, except one 40m cable, so I invested in a cheap cable tester recommended in a thread on here. Soon found the problem using that. Master was sequencing 1,2,3...8, while the slave was sequencing 8,7,6...1 - I'd crimped one of the plugs on upside down. Could make out which is was through the translucent plastic of the plug, so five minutes later and one scrap plug, all was good.

I find this to be a decent tester for the price.

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