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Is blue neutral or earth when there is a black cable (which is the old neutral) - old system? Other one is red, no green / yellow
 
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In some older buildings where there was 3 phase supplies serving single phase loads, and the installation was singles in conduit…. The phase colours were used.

So normally where you would see red, black and g/y, you could have yellow, black, g/y or blue, black, g/y

If metal conduit, there may be no green/yellow…


What is the situation you have found?



BTW, @buzzlightyear why is your diagram showing the cores in the wrong order? Old 3 core and earth is red, yellow, blue…. And your new cables on the right are similarly mixed up…. Should be brown, black, grey.

I’m not 100% certain the cpcs are in the right place either.
 
BTW, @buzzlightyear why is your diagram showing the cores in the wrong order? Old 3 core and earth is red, yellow, blue…. And your new cables on the right are similarly mixed up…. Should be brown, black, grey.

6 Changes to cable core colour identification​

Table 7B – Cable to BS 6004 (flat cable with bare cpc)​

Cable typeOld core coloursNew core colours
Single-core + bare cpcRed or blackBrown or blue
Two-core + bare cpcRed, blackBrown, blue
Alt. Two-core + bare cpcRed, redBrown, brown
Three-core + bare cpcRed, yellow, blueBrown, black, grey
[ElectriciansForums.net] Red, blue and black cable
 
In some older buildings where there was 3 phase supplies serving single phase loads, and the installation was singles in conduit…. The phase colours were used.

So normally where you would see red, black and g/y, you could have yellow, black, g/y or blue, black, g/y

If metal conduit, there may be no green/yellow…


What is the situation you have found?



BTW, @buzzlightyear why is your diagram showing the cores in the wrong order? Old 3 core and earth is red, yellow, blue…. And your new cables on the right are similarly mixed up…. Should be brown, black, grey.

I’m not 100% certain the cpcs are in the right place either.
Some of the vauxhall factory in Luton is wired like this the live is the colour of what phase it goes to in the DB
 

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