special location - jacuzzi

Dean Williams · May 23, 2012

Hi folks
im currently doing annual EICRs on leisure centre swimming pools and wet areas.
The jacuzzi i found, has the control gear/pump equipment adjacent to it, which does not comply with the regs. On speaking to the NICEIC, they said its a C2 and i should put it in writing to the council immediately. The equipment is as you can see in the photos. 400v. no RCD/separation/PELV and is located in Zone 1.
Just wondering what everyones thoughts are really.

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Dean Williams · May 23, 2012

by the way, the installation is 25 years old. On last years test, by a different company, this was recorded as satisfactory

Strima · May 23, 2012

Looks like it's been there a while.

In picture three is the fuse carrier on the SFCU cracked and rusty?

And signs of water ingress in picture 2.

C2 for me. Any previous reports available?

Edit: Got Ninja'd about the previous reports bit...

Dean Williams · May 23, 2012

yes. its cracked and rusty.
previous reports are available going back to 2003. not mentioned on any of them!!
inside the enclosure is soaking wet!

Strima · May 23, 2012

Are they going to close this facility down?

Dean Williams · May 23, 2012

no. the manager has told his boss. i will put it in writing to the client (local council). ive told the manager. thats all i can do.

Strima · May 23, 2012

Without having eyes on the installation it's hard to say but I would be considering a danger notice, even just to cover my own arse. Only takes someone to get a little over excited in there and it's boiled pork for dinner. Danger, High Voltage and all that.

:walkman:

Dean Williams · May 24, 2012

i'll do that tomorrow. it'd only take someone to jump in with a big splash and it'd be curtains

Engineer54 · May 24, 2012

I think the main problem here, is that the electrical enclosure is not suitable for purpose, rather than it's proximity!! Hard to tell from the photograph's, if the existing set-up is in an enclosure that is not accessible to the general public or not!! Basically all this equipment should be provided within a suitably locked and protected IP enclosure.

Most Jacuzzis and hot tubs have integral RCD protection in the equipments control panels. Not saying this is the case in this instance, as it's been stated the installation is 25 years old.

Dean Williams · May 24, 2012

also, upon opening the access door, an interlock should be fitted so that the power is isolated upon opening the door. no such device here...

Dean Williams · May 29, 2012

yesterday we got a swimming pool installer in for a second opinion. he said it was the worst he'd ever seen. the council has now condemned it.

Strima · May 29, 2012

Good news, nice to see something get actioned for a change...

robsparky1975 · May 30, 2012

poor overall,so if its been in service for 25 years and had some extensive use,definetly time for them to pay for upgrades,cant see any argument over that otherwises they will lose revenue if its shut down.

Engineer54 · May 30, 2012

Dean Williams said:
yesterday we got a swimming pool installer in for a second opinion. he said it was the worst he'd ever seen. the council has now condemned it.

Some of the worst electrical installations i've seen, have been by so-called ''swimming pool installers'', so personally i wouldn't put too much credence in them myself. ..lol!!!

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