DIYer query re whether a couple of kitchen/bathroom jobs are notifiable

Tesla1980 · Mar 18, 2013

ruston said:
Yes I know that, but it is an accepted standard to comply with the building regs and some statutory documents.

The 17th is Non Statutory

Quote IEE Wiring Regulations
The IEE Wiring regulations Current Edition (now issued as BS 7671:2008 :17th. Edition Wiring Regulations) are non statutory regulations. These regulations require tests and inspections of new or altered installations and recommend periodic inspection and testing.

ruston · Mar 18, 2013

Tesla1980 said:
The 17th is Non Statutory

Quote IEE Wiring Regulations
The IEE Wiring regulations Current Edition (now issued as BS 7671:2008 :17th. Edition Wiring Regulations) are non statutory regulations. These regulations require tests and inspections of new or altered installations and recommend periodic inspection and testing.

I also know that , I was referring to statutory documents that refer to BS7671 for compliance to standards they set.

fog · Mar 18, 2013

As i understand it (and i am sure i will be corrected) 17th is non statutory, but is widely accepted as (the must follow regulations) for wiring, although not a legel document can be sited in a court of law , if they think you ignored them completely. i.e. the regs are the regs follow closely despite them being difficult to interpret. thank you amberleaf for excellent ways of finding out what you need to know for given situation.

IanHug · Mar 18, 2013

ruston said:
I also know that , I was referring to statutory documents that refer to BS7671 for compliance to standards they set.

I don't believe that there are any statutory documents that refer to BS7671, only non mandatory guidance documents as far as I know.

ruston · Mar 18, 2013

IanHug said:
I don't believe that there are any statutory documents that refer to BS7671, only non mandatory guidance documents as far as I know.

This is all that I can download from part P. General guidance. It is referred to in other parts too.

[ElectriciansForums.net] DIYer query re whether a couple of kitchen/bathroom jobs are notifiable

I hope it is clear ,I can not copy and paste for some reason .

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IanHug · Mar 18, 2013

Ruston

I think these are from the approved documents? If so they aren't part of the building regs - they are guidance on meeting the regs - they aren't statutory and the guidance isn't mandatory. They also look like the current version - there is a new version on the same planning portal that will supercede these in a couple of weeks or so.

I think if you are an electrician then complying with BS7671 is largely a given. For DIY'ers not so, especially all the testing that most would find difficult.

ruston · Mar 18, 2013

IanHug said:
Ruston

I think these are from the approved documents? If so they aren't part of the building regs - they are guidance on meeting the regs - they aren't statutory and the guidance isn't mandatory. They also look like the current version - there is a new version on the same planning portal that will supercede these in a couple of weeks or so.

I think if you are an electrician then complying with BS7671 is largely a given. For DIY'ers not so, especially all the testing that most would find difficult.

Yes you are correct that they are they approved docs , and the new approved doc also advocates a similar way of compliance. I never said they were statutory only that they they would be accepted of a way of compliance. The approved doc seems to be the way the shooting match is based , and compliance to that is satisfactory for the BCO etc. This only highlights the mess they still have not got out of. Nice talking to you.

Guitarist · Mar 18, 2013

IanHug said:
I think if you are an electrician then complying with BS7671 is largely a given. For DIY'ers not so, especially all the testing that most would find difficult.

I think that sums up nicely why DIY'ers shouldn't mess with electrics...no clue what they are doing, and no way of testing even if they did.
And yes, electricians have gone to prison when accidents are a result of not complying with the regs.

ruston · Mar 18, 2013

Guitarist said:
I think that sums up nicely why DIY'ers shouldn't mess with electrics...no clue what they are doing, and no way of testing even if they did.
And yes, electricians have gone to prison when accidents are a result of not complying with the regs.

Well to be honest that is why I hinted that he should be aware of the requirements of the zones and the parameters before he added anything to the existing circuits that should not be assumed to be correct.

markythesparky · Mar 20, 2013

lfo said:
Not taking the Michael, it was a genuine query, seeing as "installing an additional socket from an existing circuit" is notifiable, then not sure why my query met with such derision?

Never mind (sigh) I guess I know what standard of customer service to expect from electricians.......

Can you believe this reaction?
I don't know what this guy does for a living but if I'd asked him a question about how to do what he'd spent 3 years training for, so that I wouldn't have to pay him or his like, I think he wouldn't take it too kindly either.
These guys are all so friendly friendly all the time they haven't gotta pay for something and when it's pointed out to them that its either illegal or that they will actually have to part with some money to get it done safely, they cop the major hump.
Bloody p**ses me off.