general builder looking for basic electrical training(without wasting time and money)

markc123 · Apr 11, 2013

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Aye, there's alot of competition in the electrical trade at the moment - most of it unwated due to the way things are currently done. So, if you can stick to building and find your own niche as Darkwood said it would probably make more sense financially.

esubmarine · Apr 11, 2013

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trev said:
Look mate, I'm sorry for coming across all bolshie and arrogant as if I'm some kind of electrical god who's black arts and secrets passed down to him by the mystical forebears during his apprenticeship are not for the uninitiated because that's not usually me. It just annoys the life out of me when we get the plumber/joiner/plasterer etc on here with the attitude that you can get a reasonably intelligent monkey to do this stuff. That's perhaps not you and once again, sorry for picking up your questioning the wrong way

I completely understand why that would get you riled up, sorry we got off on the wrong foot! I should have just spent a little more time researching before blurting out a question. I did oddly enough gain a quite realistic insight to the state of the industry and your post did make me wiki cable derating so i did learn something from it.... so let not call it a negative experience

Am going to have a think about what I want to do, might be worth checking the college but it seems like the level i want to achieve is a bit beyond the training and time I could dedicate at the moment.

Sparkie30 · Apr 11, 2013

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some people cant wait to 'have a go' at anyone who asks a basic question.

@esubmarine
if i was you i would pay attention how your sparkie does his work then find a college
and when tutor explain things you will understand them.

good luck

markc123 · Apr 11, 2013

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It's the way he worded his OP sparkie30. That's the reason it was a semi-hostile response.

I've tried to point him in the right direction the best i can, but like you've said...he needs to be enquiring at a local college and getting enrolled onto the 2357 whilst working alongside his friend.

trev · Apr 11, 2013

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Sparkie30 I wasn't "having a go at someone who asks a basic question" maybe it was the result of a pretty bad day and Esubmarine got the back wash from it, probably more my fault than his, but you have to admit when you read the first post in this thread it comes across as a wind up and it's not the first one of the night. I've apologised for some of the knee jerk reaction that he got from me, maybe that should be the end of it. I've let it go and it seems to me like he has (kind of) forgiven me.

Sparkie30 · Apr 11, 2013

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markc123 said:
It's the way he worded his OP sparkie30. That's the reason it was a semi-hostile response.

Yeah i agree with you Markc123 the way he worded his OP did not help him but he didn't offend anyone.

Im led to believe alot of people in here think they are Gods gift just because they are electricians.

Toonlad · Apr 11, 2013

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If you look at your beer through the base of the Geordie Schooner glass, you’ll not only see a star shape, you’ll also look like an idiot. #No********

[ElectriciansForums.net] general builder looking for basic electrical training(without wasting time and money)

Geordie Spark · Apr 11, 2013

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markc123 said:
you want basic electrical training / you want to know how to do re-wires / you want to cert everything ....

Go to college and learn properly?

Aye, but he says he doesn't want to waste any time or money.

esubmarine · Apr 11, 2013

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so I checked out the courses available at my local college today and they do 2 part time courses, the one that seemed most suited to me was the Certificate of Domestic Electrical Installer Part P. The result of the qualification was 'you will be nominated as a qualified supervisor with a Competent Persons scheme'. Don't quite get what this means I'd be able to do? It hints that this is a course for builders/kitchen fitter who want in the foundation knowledge to commence working as domestic electrician, so it seems like it would suit my needs......anyone had any experience with a similar course?

Also it costs 1327 + vat for 10 weeks part time, is this a fair price?

trev · Apr 11, 2013

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These courses were designed for the kitchen fitter or gas installer so that they could do what they needed to do. Instead they have been switched around by the training centres so that people who are taking them are thinking that they're qualified electricians. We refer to them here as 5 week wonders.

Floody · Apr 11, 2013

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As Trev said, just search 'Electrical Trainee' in the forum and you'll kinda get the jist of it.

its a perfectly acceptable course for a kitchen fitter to just move 1 or 2 things and get the basics coverd. Customers of the course are brainwashed into thinking that they are qualified sparks at the end of it.

I think the college will tell you the real deal tho. If you told him you wanted to be a spark, he'd send you on the 2357. If you told him your a builder and wanted to do a few bits and bobs then that maybe the reason he's give you the Electrical Trainee course.

Octopus · Apr 11, 2013

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esubmarine said:
so I checked out the courses available at my local college today and they do 2 part time courses, the one that seemed most suited to me was the Certificate of Domestic Electrical Installer Part P. The result of the qualification was 'you will be nominated as a qualified supervisor with a Competent Persons scheme'. Don't quite get what this means I'd be able to do? It hints that this is a course for builders/kitchen fitter who want in the foundation knowledge to commence working as domestic electrician, so it seems like it would suit my needs......anyone had any experience with a similar course?

Also it costs 1327 + vat for 10 weeks part time, is this a fair price?

Says who?

The course you indicate would not give you the skills nor knowledge to be a qualified superviser IMHO

Darkwood · Apr 11, 2013

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Use your common sense, if you have the choice of a 3-4 yr course or a 5 week course which one do you think will teach you what you need to know, the fast track courses are money generating schemes for quick business courses they have sprung up and flooded the country over the last 10yrs and leave you ill prepared and an unknown danger to yourself and your customers.... the original design of these fast courses was for previously experienced in the trade who needed the papers but they soon realised that with a bit of careful wording they could make a fortune out of innocent joe public. There is simply no way IMHO that you can cram all you need to know and how to practice safely and competently into 5weeks, there are members on here who have done such courses and those who have had previous experience and a need to just trim the edges of their learning have found them useful and become successful , ill even admit a few have such a high passion to learn and become the best have made it but as for the rest ... they ask some really embarrassing questions that they should know as basic, there incompetence shines and I would never employ them or feel comfy having my house rewired by them.... ive met plenty on my travels and its unbelievable the knowledge they lack yet they have papers because a teaching scheme wants to generate profit.... schemes would fail if they made it difficult to pass as no-one would use them in favour of a scheme that has a high pass rate.

Kate · Apr 11, 2013

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trev said:
If you're genuine Esubmarine then there's a couple of lads on here who are from your neck of the woods, Top Cat and MDJ are the two who immediately spring to mind but I think Kate is down your way too. They all know their stuff and I'm sure they'd be happy to quote you on whatever you need doing which will help you out in the most efficient way. If you're not genuine then why don't you just go away. Apolgies to anyone down that way who I've forgotten to mention

aww blush!! im remembered!!

trev · Apr 11, 2013

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Kate said:
aww blush!! im remembered!!

And I was right, well right ish. I have a memory like a steel trap Kate, a broken steel trap but none the less....

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