I am confident that, having seen these photos, the NICEIC will fully investigate this matter and ultimately remove this so-called electrician from their membership. There is no way that any professional organisation would allow work of this dangerous standard to be associated with their name.
strange....i cant recall saying anything about who had the most quals...Your saying that a register of electricians with a boat load of qualifications hanging out their back pocket would stop this happening, it won't.
He probably has all them. Too many people on here when they see this type of work are quick to jump in and say its the polish lot or the Electrical Trainee brigade when the fact is I see this type of work from time served highly qualified electricians who for whatever reason don't give a ---- anymore.
Don't blame a building regulation and the introduction of schemes for this, nor should you seek it's abolishment to make things right.
This has been going on for years and its only now via the Internet and camera phone technology that people are able to share it with the big bad world.
I didn't say it wasn't bad and I didn't say that the NICEIC are interested. I was making the point that your idea that a register where only the ones with the most quals gets in wont solve it.
Your saying that a register of electricians with a boat load of qualifications hanging out their back pocket would stop this happening, it won't.
He probably has all them. Too many people on here when they see this type of work are quick to jump in and say its the polish lot or the Electrical Trainee brigade when the fact is I see this type of work from time served highly qualified electricians who for whatever reason don't give a ---- anymore.
Don't blame a building regulation and the introduction of schemes for this, nor should you seek it's abolishment to make things right.
This has been going on for years and its only now via the Internet and camera phone technology that people are able to share it with the big bad world.
I didn't say it wasn't bad and I didn't say that the NICEIC are interested. I was making the point that your idea that a register where only the ones with the most quals gets in wont solve it.
i will agree with that Murdoch.....so, why have the scams?....Bottom line, scams, or no scams, there is nothing to stop shoddy work.
If the scams were seen to inspect, intervene and uphold best practice etc, etc, then the slide downhill may stop.
i`m not on about that electricsafe thing either.....another kneejerk reaction..
eng its clear.....It WILL if it has the teeth to deal with such offenders. Just like they do in other countries, that have a National Registration system. You start with a foundation for entry purposes, electrical qualifications fulfill that basic foundation, without them you're lost and on a hiding to nothing before you even start!!
Yes you're right, there have always been qualified rogue electricians, ...in a way they are worse than the electrical trainee's, because they will KNOW they are doing crap work!! These characters will also be hit hard by any deregistering from a National Register, because the rule will be, that you will not be allowed to perform any paid electrical work, nor operate as a self employed sole trader, or be employed as an electrician without that registration being in place!!
Too many people on here when they see this type of work are quick to jump in and say its the polish lot or the Electrical Trainee brigade when the fact is I see this type of work from time served highly qualified electricians who for whatever reason don't give a ---- anymore.
@NICEIC Engineer Would you take a look at a thread titled 18 days to become qualified and give us your opinion please. YOUR opinion, not the party line please
I think you have a very valid point. Anything, not just electrics, installed to those appalling kind of standards have very little to do with how long the guy trained or what technical qualification he has. Work such as that only says to me that the person who installed it has a fundamental character problem. He has no pride in his work and no pride in himself as a person. As you so rightly said above he simply just 'doesn't give a ----' about the work or the fact the he left an unsuspecting paying customer who trusted him with a dangerous house or even that his action are a reflection on him as a person. No amount of training is going to change that. No amount of policing the industry is going to change him. You can't blame the industry, you can't blame the schemes and you can't blame the government for what that guy is, bottom line is he's a rubbish who's better off on the dole where others don't have to suffer because of his lack of character.
I know mate, I liken it to an old style communist state where no one dares to contradict the official party line. When a training centre set up their stall on youtube I asked them if they would be prepared to have any of their trainees working in their homes. You should have seen the response, Stalin would have been proud.Don't hold your breath!
@NICEIC Engineer Would you take a look at a thread titled 18 days to become qualified and give us your opinion please. YOUR opinion, not the party line please
The guy who carried this lot out trades a few miles from myself and is NICEIC domestic installer and approved contractor,(i checked the register cos i couldnt beleive it!!) left no paper work etc..i only hope he reads this forum,he might go back and finish it off.....
The point for me though is not that the guy exists,we all know he does...it's the fact that the NICEIC see fit to approve him,which when I started out they would never have done.
Possibly because there are laws which he could be seen to transgress by doing so. Possibly because this other guy has a reputation as a hard lad who will work him over if he thinks he's bad mouthed him publicly. Possibly because he's not 100% that the guy in question is actually responsible or whether it's someone masquerading as him.the op won,t name and shame i wonder why?
I guess they're in the same position as the motor vehicle licensing department. If a guy proves he can drive to the required standard they have to give him a license. He might drink and drive every day since he passed his test but his license can't be taken away until there's a sucessful prosecution against him and that prosecution isn't brought about by the licensing dept, it's the job of the police to get the conviction.
Possibly because there are laws which he could be seen to transgress by doing so. Possibly because this other guy has a reputation as a hard lad who will work him over if he thinks he's bad mouthed him publicly. Possibly because he's not 100% that the guy in question is actually responsible or whether it's someone masquerading as him.
Many possible reasons Ayjay, let's just sit this out till we have something concrete to go on eh?
@NICEIC Engineer Would you take a look at a thread titled 18 days to become qualified and give us your opinion please. YOUR opinion, not the party line please
Yee knaa wot thi say aboot shy bairns bonny ladThere's no chucking fance of that !!!
(but you knew that already)
Luckily, where I live the hard lads actually care about their work and would take a very dim view of this sort of thing
Yee knaa wot thi say aboot shy bairns bonny lad![]()
hmm...the NIC `politbureau`...I know mate, I liken it to an old style communist state where no one dares to contradict the official party line. When a training centre set up their stall on youtube I asked them if they would be prepared to have any of their trainees working in their homes. You should have seen the response, Stalin would have been proud.
Possibly because there are laws which he could be seen to transgress by doing so. Possibly because this other guy has a reputation as a hard lad who will work him over if he thinks he's bad mouthed him publicly. Possibly because he's not 100% that the guy in question is actually responsible or whether it's someone masquerading as him.
Many possible reasons Ayjay, let's just sit this out till we have something concrete to go on eh?
Dear Forum – as previously stated send us the details and we will investigate.
There is no argument that the work is totally sub-standard but at present there is no evidence that this was carried out by an NICEIC contractor – we cannot investigate without details.
We have been honest and open and come on here to resolve an issue. I have asked for the details so it can be looked into fully and have so far received nothing.
We all have our views on the industry and the various bodies within it, but from what i can see we are the only provider on here trying to resolve an issue.
However, we do need your help in some cases.
Thank You
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Dear Forum – as previously stated send us the details and we will investigate.
There is no argument that the work is totally sub-standard but at present there is no evidence that this was carried out by an NICEIC contractor – we cannot investigate without details.
We have been honest and open and come on here to resolve an issue. I have asked for the details so it can be looked into fully and have so far received nothing.
We all have our views on the industry and the various bodies within it, but from what i can see we are the only provider on here trying to resolve an issue.
However, we do need your help in some cases.
Thank You