Re Garage installation

ipf · Oct 1, 2013

Not wishing to add my twopenneth to a terminated thread, but along the same lines.

I was asked by an ex industrial client to install a couple of extra sockets in his brand new, 4 bed house, really nice joint, out in the sticks. Getting ready to move in.
No prob doing the job really, the garage wasn't involved...until I had a look in the external incommer box.
PME labelled supply, 80 amp fuse, isolator fitted
Henly blocks with one set of tails to the CU and a 10mm, 3c SWA also connected. SWA not glanded, just open, with one 10mm core taped g/y, end stripped and in mid air. No separate isolation or protection and a definite lack of room.
Hello, hello??

Trip to the garage. Insulated cu with swa supply not glanded and steel wire heatshrunk (or taped) not terminated or earthed.
The 10mm core taped g/y was connected to the earth bar with another 10mm off to a rod, in mucho crapo cheap plastic flexible conduit to a stop end plastic conduit box in the ground.
The garage is wired completely in plastic conduit, sockets all over the place, not an RCD to be seen.
At this point the builder shows up and explains that the electrician doing the job is NIC and when asked to provide the EIC he rushed off and came back with the Part Pee, not the full cert.

Anyway, it's up in the air at present. I'm 50 miles away waiting for the EIC details before I do a MWC with additional notes

Phoenix · Oct 17, 2013

IF he is a genuine NIC member, would they not take some sort of action / sanction against him if you report him to them?

Richard Burns · Oct 17, 2013

Phoenix said:
IF he is a genuine NIC member, would they not take some sort of action / sanction against him if you report him to them?

I fear you are looking at this

[ElectriciansForums.net] Re Garage installation

through these

, reality works differently unfortunately.

coldyron · Oct 17, 2013

Why did you not do the job from the beginning if he's such a good mate of yours and you seem to be competent?

And how is it possible for such a big change in loop impedence?

markc123 · Oct 17, 2013

Phoenix said:
IF he is a genuine NIC member, would they not take some sort of action / sanction against him if you report him to them?

What and lose his membership fee?

I don't think so lol

The NIC unfortunatley has become more of a business, rather than a line of defence in protecting the trade.

coldyron · Oct 17, 2013

Plus it's not hard to join any of the groups is it? Just make sure you revise and get your testing right once a year (it is a year isn't it?) and for the other 364 you can be as thorough or as lazy testing as you like

Phoenix · Oct 17, 2013

Yeah, guess I was hoping for too much. P***es me off though, I take time and care to do a good job and would expect a -------ing or worse from Elecsa if I bodged something. They'd only have to suspend / expel a couple to have an effect...

ipf · Oct 18, 2013

coldyron said:
Why did you not do the job from the beginning if he's such a good mate of yours and you seem to be competent?

And how is it possible for such a big change in loop impedence?

Not such a good 'mate' but an occasional respected friend as a result of being a very good client for the last twenty odd years.
Builders tend to use local labour, I'm about 60 miles away but the owner asked me to sort things out knowing he'd get things done correctly.
He hasn't had the house built, he's bought the house. I'm not sure, but it could even have been a plot belonging to the builder.
As regards the measured difference, have a look through the thread and try to work it out. You may have missed it, but it really is quite obvious.:redface: :smiley2:

ipf · Oct 18, 2013

markc123 said:
What and lose his membership fee?

I don't think so lol

The NIC unfortunatley has become more of a business, rather than a line of defence in protecting the trade.

True, but this balls up has actually given me a good reason to attend the NICEIC Live North, being held basically down the road from me, next week. I think I'll book and have a bit of a talk with that Cable bloke among others and try to ruffle a few feathers.

Phoenix · Oct 18, 2013

ipf said:
True, but this balls up has actually given me a good reason to attend the NICEIC Live North, being held basically down the road from me, next week. I think I'll book and have a bit of a talk with that Cable bloke among others and try to ruffle a few feathers.

If you get a chance, keep us updated with that!!! Good luck

ipf · Oct 23, 2013

Managed a few photos. The supply to the garage is, in fact, from a 25amp mcb (3871 type 2) so obviously used previously. No RCD's

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Still waiting for a copy of the test certificate.