17 th edition 2383 -12

[Cazmac1]

Oh. I did not know that.

Sorry.

No worries mate

 

[NMc]

checkout this other thread its similar to requirements to this one

http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...1563-17th-edition-tips-pass-3.html#post469871

 

[telectrix]

I was looking for sample papers including the amendments myself this week - there's nothing! I'm taking the exam in exactly 12 hours time (so had better get off the net and go to sleep!)

I'll try to remember any tricky questions that come up.

so, how did you get on then?

 

[Mark42]

so, how did you get on then?

OK here’s the debrief. I took the exam today at City College, Norwich.

It is a totally NEW exam, apparently never set before. It is called ‘C&G 2382-101 Understand [sic] the requirements of BS7671:2008 (2011) and its application to electrical installations’

I have no idea what happened to the 2382-12 expected. There seemed complete confusion at the exam centre about this. I do hope I haven’t taken the wrong exam.

2 hours, 60 questions. Multiple-choice, select one answer from four. No negative marking. Therefore if you don’t know, make a sensible guess, NEVER leave a question blank. The one failed candidate today made that fundamental mistake.

My results were:

Section 1 100%; S2 100%; S3 100%; S4 100%; S5 92.86%; S6 75%; S7 90%; S8 100%. An easy pass.

I make no secret of the fact that I am not a professional electrician: I am a hobbist with an interest in many things, and a DIY-er at my house for every trade. If I can pass this thing, having only seen the green book for the first time three weeks ago, any pro who deals with this stuff every day can p!ss it. It is absolutely nothing for anyone to worry about.

I don’t think it’s too arrogant to say that anybody who fails this test is genuinely unsuited to play about with mains electricity in a client’s house. Perhaps that’s not a nice thing to say, but that doesn’t make it not true.

Here’s the sort of things you need to know (or know where to look up):

Core colours in a flexible cord (!)
Spec for a firefighter’s switch (Like you can buy one than doesn’t comply?)
Look up details in a given chapter and section reference.
IP ratings for enclosures in various places
Permitted surface temperatures of equipment
Screening of arcing assemblies
What component/s you need to consider, given the PFC at an installation’s origin
Impulse withstands etc, including data from Table 44.3
Bath and shower zoning and distances
Derating factors for cables
Swimming pool and marina distances and IP ratings

There was absolutely no question which required even basic arithmetic. No question like what is the maximum Zs under a particular combinations of circumstances?, no volt drops to work out, no adiabatic equation, no need to refer to fuse time/current graphs.

I may have been ‘lucky’ with the questions, but this did seem a lot easier than the sample papers that are about on web.

Like I say, I hope this was the right exam!

Any thoughts anybody?

My advice to anybody concerned about this exam is to remember to read the questions! They all appeared well-written and unambiguous. Then look at the answers given. At least one, and often two, are completely daft or obviously dangerous, and so can be discounted. There are no ‘trick questions’: whoever wrote this paper wants you to pass.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Oh that must have been the Malaysian version. The ones they set in this country require Fast Fourier Transforms and Laplase transforms and a little circuit analysis thrown in for good measure.....:jester:

 

[Mark42]

^ Yeah, and once you've solved Fermat's last theorem (in the margin) you're allowed to wire a plug ... :1eye:

 

[NMc]

The 101 refers to the unit with 2382-12

Multi-choice question work that way. One correct, one maybe correct and two completely wrong

 

[Mark42]

The 101 refers to the unit with 2382-12

Eh? What does that mean please?

I don't understand all these C&G numbers: they appear to be all over the place. Am I being daft and missing some underlying logic? Or were they dreamed up by a sadistic lunatic?

 

[lauriehurman]

Oh that must have been the Malaysian version. The ones they set in this country require Fast Fourier Transforms and Laplase transforms and a little circuit analysis thrown in for good measure.....:jester:

Nooo - it's a digital world now - all Z-transforms

 

[NMc]

Have a look at the qualification document and C&G

http://www.cityandguilds.com/docume...ical-Installation-BS7671-Jun08-QHB-v1.1_2.pdf

 

[Mark42]

Have a look at the qualification document and C&G

http://www.cityandguilds.com/docume...ical-Installation-BS7671-Jun08-QHB-v1.1_2.pdf

Thanks. A useful document which makes sense of the different percentage scores on a result sheet, which on their own without being told the number of questions in each section, are meaningless.

This document should be made available to all students.

It all makes sense now, but I still think the C&G numbering system is barmy.

 

[NMc]

All exam qualification documents like this one are available on the C&G website

City & Guilds | UK home

Just search on the exam number i.e. 2382, 2391 etc