17th to 18th edition

[Dannyg8810]

probably been discussed but I can't find this info I'm wanting

Anyway once the 18th is active and we all need to spend ££££ on our new bibles will there be a short update exam or a full 18th edition exam

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I imagine it will be both.
Short if you have done the 17th recently, long if you haven't.

 

[buzzlightyear]

recently spoke the assessment engineer about the 17 to the 18th I had asked about this.
he said if you want to do the 18th exam that's ok but you do can do it another way
by reading the up dates on new 18th new edition that showing how to applying them that's ok.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Won't be confirmed till the likes of EAL and City and Guilds look into it.

With the likely introduction of Part 8 having significant content, a new course is a guarantee.

Having reviewed the draft in detail I am confident that I would develop training for a one day course to cover the differences between the 18th edition and Am3 of the 17th.

If C&G insisted it be a new complete course, I would simply request evidence of a 17th edition and offer anything missing from the amendments to the 17th included in the 18th.

 

[buzzlightyear]

we will have to see .want we.

 

[Pete999]

probably been discussed but I can't find this info I'm wanting

Anyway once the 18th is active and we all need to spend ££££ on our new bibles will there be a short update exam or a full 18th edition exam

Thanks

You Jest Danny "a short update" no mate full on course to make the IET and the scams more money.

 

[Octopus]

the 18th edition should be shelved until the Plain English Society have reviewed the 17th AMD 3............ and their input agreed.

 

[Dannyg8810]

Yes I that's probable the case pete and the regs book,guidance notes and on site guide will probable follow this with them costing more

You Jest Danny "a short update" no mate full on course to make the IET and the scams more money.

 

[Pete999]

Yes I that's probable the case pete and the regs book,guidance notes and on site guide will probable follow this with them costing more

Think back they didn't do it 16th -17th, there will be no difference 17th-18th, the IET could of course issue updates and changes, but there isn't enough cash in doing that, still I suppose it keeps people employed, what you say is true though. Glad I'm out of it now still probably buy the new 7671 and OSG, sid the guidance notes though my Pension won't stand that lot as well.

 

[Octopus]

^^ thing is, it isn't just the cost of the exams, the mandatory OSG and Big book, its all the guidance notes, tester updates, certificate software updates and time off.

Talk about being shafted......

 

[Toneyz]

What's the betting that as soon as the 18th is out there is talk of Amd 1.

 

[Ian1981]

What's the betting that as soon as the 18th is out there is talk of Amd 1.

According to Alan wells I think his name is head technical guy from niceic , regulations that didn't make it in time before the release of the DPC have been shelved and will be considered for amendment 1.
If it's true What a joke!

 

[Toneyz]

According to Alan wells I think his name is head technical guy from niceic , regulations that didn't make it in time before the release of the DPC have been shelved and will be considered for amendment 1.
If it's true What a joke!

so another 1/2 years down the line its new regs book, G/Notes and OSG again.

 

[Octopus]

I'm sure I have seen a comment already about what is likely in the 18th Ed AMD 1 ....... which pretty much proves that its all about creating jobs ...........

 

[Pete999]

I'm sure I have seen a comment already about what is likely in the 18th Ed AMD 1 ....... which pretty much proves that its all about creating jobs ...........

Knees up in a brewery comes to mind, money for old rope etc.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Does it mean when the 18th edition finally comes out that the multifunction testers marketed as 17 edition testers will all suddenly come down in price? likewise all them 17th ed Consumer Untis.... it should all come down in theory... although they will just put new packaging on it is my guess and charge a new 18th premium

 

[Pete999]

Does it mean when the 18th edition finally comes out that the multifunction testers marketed as 17 edition testers will all suddenly come down in price? likewise all them 17th ed Consumer Untis.... it should all come down in theory... although they will just put new packaging on it is my guess and charge a new 18th premium

Good point Gavin

 

[Ian1981]

Mft will just get rebranding from saying 17th edition tester to 18th edition tester.
No change in price and at the end of the day the testing part doesn't change so why should the test meter?

 

[MisterE]

... although they will just put new packaging on it is my guess and charge a new 18th premium

probably just a sticker over the 17th Edition wording saying "18th"

 

[NDG Elecs]

I won't be buying the GNs this time round. Only been a spark for around 8 yrs and I am starting to fully understand the way many sparks feel about the situation, and the cash that needs to be spent every three years or so.
When the regs turn 18 maybe they will start to act like a grown up! Don't get me wrong some of the changes in each revision are pretty good, but some of it feels like change for changes sake. And they certainly could be amended and altered in a much better way that actually appreciates the end users.

 

[Octopus]

^^ end users don't have a clue about the regs and changes..... It's us poor sparks who get lumbered with the hassle, whilst those in their ivory towers just continue to dream up changes and tweaks too keep themselves busy ......

Can anybody actually justify why the 18 th edition is actually required?

 

[Pete999]

^^ end users don't have a clue about the regs and changes..... It's us poor sparks who get lumbered with the hassle, whilst those in their ivory towers just continue to dream up changes and tweaks too keep themselves busy ......

Can anybody actually justify why the 18 th edition is actually required?

IET and the Scams running out of money? got to pay for TC's pension some how.

 

[telectrix]

^^ end users don't have a clue about the regs and changes..... It's us poor sparks who get lumbered with the hassle, whilst those in their ivory towers just continue to dream up changes and tweaks too keep themselves busy ......

Can anybody actually justify why the 18 th edition is actually required?

i'm still wondering why the 17th was ever required.

 

[Octopus]

IET and the Scams running out of money? got to pay for TC's pension some how.

TC ?????

 

[Pete999]

i'm still wondering why the 17th was ever required.

You know what Tel, I reckon every 3 or 4 years the IET and the Scams get their respective budgets cut back, so they all get together at some posh Hotel for a strategy meeting, thrash out the reasons why money is getting a bit tight, and then some nork in charge decides "got it Ladies and Gents, time for a new edition of BS 7671" or am I just talking carp?

 

[Pete999]

TC ?????

Tony Cable, come on Murdoch get with the program Mate.

 

[Octopus]

It's just after looking at the proposed changes they want to bring in for the 18th I just think they are really scraping the bottom off the barrel.

One of my mates, with about 4o years under his belt has decided that he's going to give up .....'m the trade need people like him ....... And his main issue is that nobody polices what's actually going on ....

 

[Pete999]

It's just after looking at the proposed changes they want to bring in for the 18th I just think they are really scraping the bottom off the barrel.

One of my mates, with about 4o years under his belt has decided that he's going to give up .....'m the trade need people like him ....... And his main issue is that nobody polices what's actually going on ....

That's so true Mate

 

[telectrix]

It's just after looking at the proposed changes they want to bring in for the 18th I just think they are really scraping the bottom off the barrel.

One of my mates, with about 4o years under his belt has decided that he's going to give up .....'m the trade need people like him ....... And his main issue is that nobody polices what's actually going on ....

and they won't until the likes of niceic put safety and good workmanship before their own grubby balance books.

a pig has just flown past my window.

 

[NDG Elecs]

^^ end users don't have a clue about the regs and changes..... It's us poor sparks who get lumbered with the hassle, whilst those in their ivory towers just continue to dream up changes and tweaks too keep themselves busy ......

Can anybody actually justify why the 18 th edition is actually required?

By end users I meant us sparks Mid.
It's jobs for the boys the constant tweaking.

 

[Midwest]

I recall someone mention before about amendments & charges in BS7671 being in ring binder format, or whatever you call that. So you can buy just those bits. Think it got shot down in flames, but I think that might save a few trees?

 

[NDG Elecs]

I recall someone mention before about amendments & charges in BS7671 being in ring binder format, or whatever you call that. So you can buy just those bits. Think it got shot down in flames, but I think that might save a few trees?

That's what they do with the gas regs in believe. A much better and cheaper system.

 

[Octopus]

I'll start a separate thread!

 

[Toneyz]

IET and the Scams running out of money? got to pay for TC's pension some how.

He'll be on the after dinner speaking rounds now.

 

[Toneyz]

That's what they do with the gas regs in believe. A much better and cheaper system.

There it is again Gas safe got it sorted.

 

[davesparks]

That's what they do with the gas regs in believe. A much better and cheaper system.

It's how the gas safe rule book publication is done yes, but not the actual 'regulations' document, that is law and therefore access is free via legislation.gov.uk