18 Days to come qualified

[Redvanman]

I was amazed when told about this

Bronze: Domestic Installer Course

You even get to pass the test and inspect course.

is this really possible starting with no knowledge

Christ this really is belittling our trade. Now I know why I make a good living of sorting out bodge jobs.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

My advice was in response to a previous statement about there being multiple ads visible, I wasn't suggesting it would bring world peace or stop the dumbing down of the electrical industry in it's tracks.

well the least this forum could do to show it`s commitment to the trade that supports it is to give these scabs the flick....
thats what i`m suggesting....

 

[Marvo]

It would affect their profits because they wouldn't be able to suck in and spit out so many,

Their numbers may be lower but their trainees would be with them for longer....it'sswngs and roundabouts if you ask me. The training providers will always be making money providing training regardless of where the courses are pitched on a technical level, I still don't see why they would have any vested interest in lowering the legally required industry standard.

 

[trev]

The vested interest comes from the introduction of the (very) short course, they can suck in maybe a dozen people then a couple of weeks later spit them out the other end with a load of empty promises, the following Monday it starts all over again. The courses have been getting shorter and shorter, it was Electrical Trainee now it's 2.Electrical Trainee so it's in their interests for the course to get shorter.
If it was, for arguments sake, a year then the fees would have to go up to astronomical levels to maintain their profitability. Are these particular turkeys going to vote for that Christmas? I'd guess not.
When I served my time it was the 2 year trained spark that everyone was saying would be the downfall of civilisation as we knew it.

 

[Burnt Fingers]

How many people actually complete the course though? Its a lot to learn in a short time I bet a load drop out on week 2 when the hard sums come out

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The vested interest comes from the introduction of the (very) short course, they can suck in maybe a dozen people then a couple of weeks later spit them out the other end with a load of empty promises, the following Monday it starts all over again. The courses have been getting shorter and shorter, it was Electrical Trainee now it's 2.Electrical Trainee so it's in their interests for the course to get shorter.
If it was, for arguments sake, a year then the fees would have to go up to astronomical levels to maintain their profitability. Are these particular turkeys going to vote for that Christmas? I'd guess not.
When I served my time it was the 2 year trained spark that everyone was saying would be the downfall of civilisation as we knew it.

......

 

[pennywise]

How many people actually complete the course though? Its a lot to learn in a short time I bet a load drop out on week 2 when the hard sums come out

With the amount of money they are paying, I have a feeling the fail rate is "very" low

 

[PeterPan27]

This 18 day is crazy.
I'm a mature student.. 34 I wit my role as gym manager to go to college.
I've done
Level 2 2330
Level 3 2330
17th edition
Btec level 3 in construction
2392-10and passed gola and practical 2394, awaiting written results .
I've been studying close to 3 years, I've done a fair bit of jobs with friends and family for example fans, outside light, did a cu change and couple other bits.
But I can honestly say prepared to a experienced spark I'm miles and miles behind.
18 days is a load of rubbish

 

[UNG]

The Labour government introduced Part P and foisted it upon us as a safety initiative then used it to get people off benefits and into work while claiming an industry shortage of qualified electricians that I'm not sure ever existed. Instead of having qualified electricians now we have people assessed as competent electricians which makes the goal posts a lot wider as to what bits of paper are needed to be accepted by these competence schemes.

Let us not forget that the City & Guilds whose qualifications where once coveted and were the sign of a well trained tradesman have a hand in this by allowing prospective electricians to sit exams for the additional peripheral courses ( 2391, 2382 etc) without any core electrical qualification being needed have been complicit in aiding and abetting the quick training providers and schemes in the quest for money by allowing this to happen.

This whole debacle is driven by managers and accountants whose only interest is what the next revenue scheme is or how they milk the existing ones

I find it odd that as electrical work has become more complex the level of training needed has decreased, although the industry has been compartmentalised in to specialist sectors that were once considered part of an electricians job to give more revenue streams for the training providers with specialist courses and place restrictions on those already qualified and knowledgeable in these sectors without the now necessary new sector ticket

The number of things that have happened in the last 8 / 9 years in this industry IMO have clouded the safety stats, are installations safer because of Part P or the fact that we now have the RCD everything culture, we have competent persons schemes coupled with the acceptance of the quick training is this an incident waiting to happen

The question is is it too late to raise the bar or will too many people get upset by the dream they have been sold being shattered

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The Labour government introduced Part P and foisted it upon us as a safety initiative then used it to get people off benefits and into work while claiming an industry shortage of qualified electricians that I'm not sure ever existed. Instead of having qualified electricians now we have people assessed as competent electricians which makes the goal posts a lot wider as to what bits of paper are needed to be accepted by these competence schemes.

Let us not forget that the City & Guilds whose qualifications where once coveted and were the sign of a well trained tradesman have a hand in this by allowing prospective electricians to sit exams for the additional peripheral courses ( 2391, 2382 etc) without any core electrical qualification being needed have been complicit in aiding and abetting the quick training providers and schemes in the quest for money by allowing this to happen.

This whole debacle is driven by managers and accountants whose only interest is what the next revenue scheme is or how they milk the existing ones

I find it odd that as electrical work has become more complex the level of training needed has decreased, although the industry has been compartmentalised in to specialist sectors that were once considered part of an electricians job to give more revenue streams for the training providers with specialist courses and place restrictions on those already qualified and knowledgeable in these sectors without the now necessary new sector ticket

The number of things that have happened in the last 8 / 9 years in this industry IMO have clouded the safety stats, are installations safer because of Part P or the fact that we now have the RCD everything culture, we have competent persons schemes coupled with the acceptance of the quick training is this an incident waiting to happen

The question is is it too late to raise the bar or will too many people get upset by the dream they have been sold being shattered

its all about divide & rule....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Marvo...
i expect an answer to #106 please.....

 

[Marvo]

The question is is it too late to raise the bar or will too many people get upset by the dream they have been sold being shattered

I'd say it's never too late. The politicians found a way to fragment and dumb-down the industry, given sufficient motivation they could take it in the reverse direction. I think the motivation is the issue rather than there being no solution.

 

[eollou88]

Just read the whole thread, just to add my input, all these short course are great for some of us on here. It creates some of us a bit of work when some of these 18dw, Electrical Trainee, etcetc f-:;&" up on a job, especially when they crap themselves when they "tested the circuits" before livening up and the mcbs go pop. 70quid please for that nicked cable in the tight bbox.

 

[oldtimer]

I blame the Scheme providers who jumped on the back of the MP who's daughter was killed hence the push for Part P that thank God we do not have up here . Now my business is repair and maintenance and specialise in fault finding because I have done it all my days I like to solve problems and the way I approach this is when the customer asks me if I have any evidence I am an electrician I hand them my SJIB grade card and most of the time they apologise for having to ask but I always reassure them that they are quite right because there are guys getting certified after 5 weeks when it took me 6 years. Plus its not easy when you see some clown on Homes Under the Hammer and the interviewer says hey I hear you are now a qualified electrician now so no more getting ripped off with you property portfolio and the reply from the clown is O yea anybody can do it, its a dead easy. This is the same HUTH that the presenter pointed to a CB only CU and said yes the property is ok because it has a safety CU fitted Good God.

So for me I just educate and inform the customer and let them make their mind up plus we have had this discussion on this forum before re the Electrical Trainee adds and thank goodness that somewhere else has the integrity not to have them its a bit like money lenders in a church

 

[Marvo]

Marvo...
i expect an answer to #106 please.....

It's not my decision who advertises on the forum, I have no say in this whatsoever. Given they're as much a part of the electrical industry landscape as they are, if it was my decision they'd stay as advertisers. I've already stated my view that I don't think the training providers are to blame, they don't make the laws and they don't set the technical requirements or standards of the electrical courses.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

It's not my decision who advertises on the forum, I have no say in this whatsoever. Given they're as much a part of the electrical industry landscape as they are, if it was my decision they'd stay as advertisers. I've already stated my view that I don't think the training providers are to blame, they don't make the laws and they don't set the technical requirements or standards of the electrical courses.

nah they just ride it...