18th Edition, do I need it?

[Top Cat]

Just had my NICEIC inspection and said I haven't done the course yet and do I need it.
He said no hurry, sometime this year will do. Worth doing in case one of your customers ask if you have got it.
Now it all seemed a bit vague as if they do not know if we must have it.
What are your feelings?

 

[Pete999]

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The NICEIC come up with all these exams etc, but find t hard to justify in my personal opinion, which others may disagree with, especially those who think the NICEIC make the rules.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I would expect that they would require you to have the qualification by a certain time.

 

[Top Cat]

The NICEIC come up with all these exams etc, but find t hard to justify in my personal opinion, which others may disagree with, especially those who think the NICEIC make the rules.

I agree to a point but there are plenty of other scam operators out there, are they saying we absolutely need it? I presume you don't like the NICEIC?

 

[Top Cat]

I would expect that they would require you to have the qualification by a certain time.

But what time?

 

[FatAlan]

I’d double check. ELESA gave me 120 days to get 18th and they’re chasing me.

 

[Pete999]

I’d double check. ELESA gave me 120 days to get 18th and they’re chasing me.

Of course they are, more dosh for them.

 

[John-]

I thought transition has started but ends in July, meaning you have to have moved over to 18th by then.

 

[Nigel]

Good business in my opinion to be up to date in regards to qualifications.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Of course they are, more dosh for them.

Agreed, one big scam.
You don't redo you're electrical training qualifications, be it a cable puller up to degree level and beyond, every few years. You keep abreast of the current state of the industry.
The IET always publish the draft version of major Regs overhauls, freely available for everyone to appraise and familiarise themselves with.

 

[Pete999]

I thought transition has started but ends in July, meaning you have to have moved over to 18th by then.

If you don't do it by then they will lose out on cash, all these changes are nothing but a cash cow for those in control, pay yer dosh learn how to navigate a BS pass an easy exam ( it is easy) and you are 18th qualified, now wait until someone comes up with something to incur the 19th and on and on etc. Think about it £4 or 6 hundred quid for new books and courses exams etc a good scam don't you think?

 

[Silly Sausage]

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Yo Cat, how you doing anyway?

 

[Top Cat]

Yo Cat, how you doing anyway?

Good Archy, and you?
Nice to see the old names again!

 

[littlespark]

Why was I in a such a mad hurry to get my 18th by January 2019 if it wasn't needed?

 

[davesparks]

You need a copy of the 18th edition book and a good working knowledge of it.

 

[Toneyz]

The NICEIC come up with all these exams etc, but find t hard to justify in my personal opinion, which others may disagree with, especially those who think the NICEIC make the rules.

Pete they are not referring to one of their exams they are referring to him doing the 18th.

 

[Top Cat]

You need a copy of the 18th edition book and a good working knowledge of it.

I have the 18th edition and a good (ish!) knowledge, possibly! maybe!

 

[ipf]

I have the 18th edition and a good (ish!) knowledge, possibly! maybe!

I'm with you there, mate....and you'll have a good knowledge without even opening it.
I've had to put things back a bit, with good reason, but all these problems with 18th edition certificate software (NIC Clik) aren't helping. Another reason to wait a while.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Just had my NICEIC inspection and said I haven't done the course yet and do I need it.
He said no hurry, sometime this year will do. Worth doing in case one of your customers ask if you have got it.
Now it all seemed a bit vague as if they do not know if we must have it.
What are your feelings?

All you've to do is show your working towards it...

You could spend the next 5 years "working towards it"...
It's all about interpretation...

"working to it"...
Now, there's another matter...

 

[Paul P]

Even had the JIB telling me I must get the 18th qualification. Can’t be asked as the company I work for won’t pay for it.

 

[Toneyz]

If the company that you work for is a member of one of the schemes or an NICEIC Approved Contractor they must hold a copy of BS7671 ask if you can borrow it so at least you can be competent in applying it. I think there is a download of it on the forum.

 

[Diver233]

I feel like I’m the odd one out here, I like to be as up to date as possible.

Another way of looking at it is, would it be acceptable for an electrician who trained in say 1984 to the 15th edition to not update his or her skills and knowledge and still be trading.
Whilst I think most feel it’s an expense they don’t want to pay, but these things cost to be re-written and someone has to pay for it.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I feel like I’m the odd one out here, I like to be as up to date as possible.

Another way of looking at it is, would it be acceptable for an electrician who trained in say 1984 to the 15th edition to not update his or her skills and knowledge and still be trading.
Whilst I think most feel it’s an expense they don’t want to pay, but these things cost to be re-written and someone has to pay for it.

Perhaps people would feel less cynical if the IET didn't leave umpteen blank pages of "notes" towards the back of each new edition of BS7671 it thrusts upon us...

Its about cash...nothing else
They have to prove different...
And they can't...

 

[Pete999]

Perhaps people would feel less cynical if the IET didn't leave umpteen blank pages of "notes" towards the back of each new edition of BS7671 it thrusts upon us...

Its about cash...nothing else
They have to prove different...
And they can't...

Me and you Mate two people with the same thoughts, see post 11.