9% increase on gas and elec

[MicraShed]

Nope, Dish Washer is fed from hot water tap.
Reason being the DHW is set at 55 degrees and the minimum temp of the dishwasher cycle is 60 degrees and I usually use a program that is 78 degrees, so I figured that what the heck, it could feed off the hot water - its been like that for 5 years now with no ill effects.
(gets ready for tales of woe and how Im breeding super bacteria or something!)

 

[langstroth2]

Re Gas use. Install solar hw panels? Helps reduce gas use in summer - although most gas use tends to be CH in Autumn/Winter. Wood stove anyone? If only I'd thought of that when replacing the gas fire some moons ago.

On the dishwasher point - our new Bosch dishwasher specifically said it could be plumped into HW supply rather than cold "to take advantage of a solar system". First time I'd seen that sort of thing mentioned explicitly.

 

[sambotc]

No current renewable technology will replace mains gas.

 

[sedgy34]

No current renewable technology will replace mains gas.

Well in 5 years time they won't be installing mains gas in newbuild houses it's going to be renewables any gas will be LPG

 

[Eco Deal]

I would love a wood burning fire . get rid of all these pallets the solar panels come on and heat my house.

Problem is i have dot a dab walls can they still be installed some how?

 

[sedgy34]

I would love a wood burning fire . get rid of all these pallets the solar panels come on and heat my house.

Problem is i have dot a dab walls can they still be installed some how?

Well I'm going the wood burner route a plumber told me they are only £300 for a 5 kw so cheap as chips really and I would think a dot and dabb wall would be ok as long as the wood burner is fitted correctly

 

[finewine]

Great to see interest in woodburning stoves as part of the whole picture. I run a company that supplies and installs woodburning stoves, both wet and dry. First thing i would say is never buy cheap. There are literally hundreds of cheap chinese stoves available on the internet and i have to say that most are either cheap imitations or making false claims with regards to performance. Buy well known tested products from established shop based companies. Basic cost for a good boiler stove, output around 8kw (6 radiators + hot water) is going to be 1200 pounds and then you need tp think about liner and installation of stove (around 1300 pounds) , suitable plumbing to meet current regs ( 500 to 2000 pounds) and then finally full certification by a hetas engineer who has taken the wet course who can sign off the work. Generally min cost of 3500 and to 5000 or more depending on plumbing work. Hope this helps, Nick

 

[leexgx]

Nope, Dish Washer is fed from hot water tap.
Reason being the DHW is set at 55 degrees and the minimum temp of the dishwasher cycle is 60 degrees and I usually use a program that is 78 degrees, so I figured that what the heck, it could feed off the hot water - its been like that for 5 years now with no ill effects.
(gets ready for tales of woe and how Im breeding super bacteria or something!)

still you should set it to 60c at least, better safe then sorry

your more likely just wasting heat in the pipes with the dishwasher connected to the hot side, by the time its got to the dishwasher or close to it it would of filled the dishwasher up (78c seems bit hot for an dishwasher, Industrial one?)

that's why most dishwashers and washing machines are norm cold only now as they use far less water then older machines, the time it takes to fire up the combi or get the water from the tank to the dishwasher/washing machine the combi would of fired up for no reason or loss of heat in the tank (i may have repeated that an little just more detailed)

 

[sambotc]

Well in 5 years time they won't be installing mains gas in newbuild houses it's going to be renewables any gas will be LPG

Believe that when you see it, just like the RHI that was supposed to start in 2010.

Happy to discuss tomorrow when i've not had a few, but the figures don't add up for anything else.

On the wood burning subject just remember to consider smoke free zones which will mean that most built up areas will not permit you to burn a lot of wood's and other smokey fuels.

RHI will not be available for any of the renewable technologies with the exception of solar thermal if you have a mains gas supply. Currently solar thermal does not pay back well for a domestic property on mains gas, usually 30+ year payback rates.

Like it or not, gas is still the best option for many both economically and environmentally.

 

[leexgx]

will we have gas for that long

 

[dansk]

i thought new build to code 6 wont have a mains gas supply, im sure its coming, but so is christmas.

 

[MicraShed]

your more likely just wasting heat in the pipes with the dishwasher connected to the hot side, by the time its got to the dishwasher or close to it it would of filled the dishwasher up (78c seems bit hot for an dishwasher, Industrial one?)

Ahh, but you are not taking into account the fact Im ---- enough to run the hot water tap till it comes warm, then switch the dishwasher on.... My reasoning is I have a tankful of hot water, so why pay any more electricity to heat up cold water when I can supply 55 degree (ish) water to the dishwasher so it only needs to heat it up another 20 degrees as opposed to a full 60 degrees plus.
Its a Miele, and Im lying - its 76 degrees for the pots and pans cycle.

 

[sambotc]

Code 6 houses should almost eliminate the need for heating completely but there is a lot of work to do in 4 years for that to become the norm. I would imagine some form of electric will be used for supplementary heating when required and hot water which, unless produced entirely from a renewable technology, will produce over twice the amount of co2 per kwh compared to burning gas.

For the rest of the population in an existing property with a mains supply, there's nothing currently available worth swapping too.

 

[SRE]

Ahh, but you are not taking into account the fact Im ---- enough to run the hot water tap till it comes warm, then switch the dishwasher on.... My reasoning is I have a tankful of hot water, so why pay any more electricity to heat up cold water when I can supply 55 degree (ish) water to the dishwasher so it only needs to heat it up another 20 degrees as opposed to a full 60 degrees plus.
Its a Miele, and Im lying - its 76 degrees for the pots and pans cycle.

Of course if you had an energy management system you wouldn't be paying for all that hot water to sit there in the first place ;-)

 

[moggy1968]

the lack of air circulation in these new houses bothers me, I can't see such a lack of air being healthy