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A Design Question for You Lot

Paul.M

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I quoted a job yesterday and thought it would be a good real life question on here to discuss and debate. Heres the info. (Marvo dont answer it please, let the trainees have a go first :))


The building was a sports center but now the use of the building has changed to a place of worship. It has 2 changing rooms with shower cubicals, the customer wants 9.5Kw showers, 2 in the male changing room and 3 in the females changing room. The closest sub main board (C/U) is a cable run of 35 meters away and no spare ways available. Although that is not a problem, I will be picking up a supply from this point because the main incoming SWA feeding the board is big enough to handle the increased load of the showers and to feed the board (C/U) that consists mainly of lighting circuits and a couple of 16A socket radials.

My question is this:- How would you go about designing this project? Here are a few pointers to get you thinking....

5 x 9.5Kw showers at full load capacity = 41.3A each x 5 = 206.5A total.
Think about local isolation (35m away from the supply) How what would you design?
Size of cable rather for a sub main from the sub board or 5 x 10mm t+e? (installation method is:- on cable tray or in free air and does not need mechanical protection btw).
What is the volt drop on such a run?
A pull cord IP rated will be fitted near each shower fitting for on/off function and local isolation btw.

The rest of it is just putting a few water pipes together, I'm an electrician so that will be a walk in the park for people like us. Lets face it if a plumber can do it so can you lol. Done it loads of times as well by the way :).

Over to you lot, post up what you think and how you would design this/these circuits. You wil all have to do things like this in time to come so get some practice in on here.
 
I don't have time to have a go at this now as I've got to head out for my 2394 exam! Wish I did though as I love doing this sort of thing, really gets you thinking. I reckon by the time I get to look at this again there'll already be plenty of answers on here so I just wanted to ask if there can be more questions like this put up? It really is a great help!
 
Good luck with the 2394 exam mate, you should do well.

As for further questions, I'll post some up that are relevant to the courses that you lot are training on. Some of the jobs I've done go way beyond what C&G teach so I dont want to confuse things from what the C&G are doing.


Saying that, I've had an idea for a while about design questions and this place is the best place for it. Give me a couple of weeks and Ill get something sorted.
 
Thanks again Paul. It all helps. I'm pretty confident my exam went well last night. My 2395 the night before though is a different matter, I'll be very surprised if I'm not sitting that one again!

I see nobody's had a go at this yet, might see what I can come up with later!
 
Come on lads (and Dooby) have a crack at this. No one will take the p if you get it wrong..... Ok I might lol :wink: All in in jest though.
 
Not long into it and mostly domestic so wouldn't even know where to begin with that kind of demand, 3-phase, etc. Keen to see others' answers though.
 
Not long into it and mostly domestic so wouldn't even know where to begin with that kind of demand, 3-phase, etc. Keen to see others' answers though.


Resu you have tickled towards the answer mate. It's not three phase btw. It's single phase from the sub main that I'll be tapping into. Now thats a load of different problems within its self but not beyond anyones capabilities in this section. Look in the books for cable calcs, loads, volt drop. The rest is just up to you.

A bit advice to you all.....

​If the Amperes are bigger, so is the cable.

If the cable is bigger, so is the support of the cable.

If everything said above is bigger, so are the nuts and bolts that hold it together.

Do not be intimidated by bigger things. Its all in your learning and the books. The rest will come with working with it.

Chest out. Head up and dont be pushed back by your fears.
 
A stab in the dark...

Have another smaller CU coming off the existing CU, stick it closer to the showers :D BOOM !!!

Yes Floody, well done :).



I wont give you the answer yet but I will start a thread in a week or so (that will take me some time to compose) regarding the topic that this thread is about.
 
I've said that to accommodate the voltage drop, you also have no spare slots for mcb's so you would have had to upgrade the CU if you weren't adding another. I'm sure there are lots of other reasons, but your also keeping the cost down bringing it closer as you keep the 10mm t+e to a minimum.

Ive literally just seen this question but I know it's been here for a while but never looked at it as it had the word 'design' in haha
 
Floody we all design, we just dont know it yet. Thats another topic and thread that I will punch up when I have time. It will be an out of college exercise for you all.
 

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