Additional Socket in Kitchen and RCD's

[BMW]

Hi
I have been asked to put in another socket in a kitchen for a washing machine. Now we are taking 1m of 2.5 clipped in a cupboard however the property does not have any RCD protection. The board is old with them plug in MCB's. Now for reasons to complicated to detail I have no room to install a RCB to protect the whole house and the customer does not want a new Distribution board.

Now according to the regs any additional to a ring main must have RCD protection so I was at the point of saying sorry just cant do it however, on close inspection I noted 411.3.3. Does this mean if I cut the plug off the washing machine and terminated into a fused spur I could get away with no RCD? It would then be a dedicated point for a fixed appliance and nothing else could be used from this point.

Any thoughts? or do I walk away.

Cheers

 

[telectrix]

if the wiring is surface, why not fit a RCD socket?

 

[Octopus]

Is the cable a surface run? If so I would install the socket and complete the MWC stating that its for the washing machine use. Not RCD protected.

What about the bonding and notification?

 

[dan86]

if the wiring is surface, why not fit a RCD socket?

that's what I'd do

 

[BMW]

Many thanks
Yes the cable is surface but in a cupboard clipped. Bonding is 6mm I think but I can put that plus 'washing machine use only' on the MWC as customer will not pay for any upgrading.

Many thanks

 

[telectrix]

if it's TN-S you'll probably find that the bonding is adequate, but check it anyway. make sure it's connected.

 

[woko]

Not worth it mate, walk away. How much money will you actually lose? 50 quid? Not worth the hassle.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Hi
I have been asked to put in another socket in a kitchen for a washing machine. Now we are taking 1m of 2.5 clipped in a cupboard however the property does not have any RCD protection. The board is old with them plug in MCB's. Now for reasons to complicated to detail I have no room to install a RCB to protect the whole house and the customer does not want a new Distribution board.

Now according to the regs any additional to a ring main must have RCD protection so I was at the point of saying sorry just cant do it however, on close inspection I noted 411.3.3. Does this mean if I cut the plug off the washing machine and terminated into a fused spur I could get away with no RCD? It would then be a dedicated point for a fixed appliance and nothing else could be used from this point.

Any thoughts? or do I walk away.

Cheers

No requirement in the Regs to provide RCD protection to an addition to a RFC, unless it's a circuit of a location containing a bath or shower.
You don't need to be cutting plugs off either.
Run the cables on the surface, in trunking or clipped direct, install socket-outlet.
Fill in MEIWC collect money and notify.
Job done.

 

[decolad69]

No requirement in the Regs to provide RCD protection to an addition to a RFC, unless it's a circuit of a location containing a bath or shower.
You don't need to be cutting plugs off either.
Run the cables on the surface, in trunking or clipped direct, install socket-outlet.
Fill in MEIWC collect money and notify.
Job done.

Hi can I just ask, if the cable is clipped direct does the circuit not require rcd protection at source ? Seems to me it's more vulnerable to physical damage.

 

[william1]

Buy a 1 plug extension lead job done lol if the washing machine can be plugged in then why would you have to install a RCD or MCB?