Advice following EICR

[davidp40]

The buyer of my house has had an EICR done. I have anonymized and attached. Also the associated quote for remediation.

I am wondering:

• surely the smoke detectors are nothing to do with it (plus, this is not a rental property anyway)
• it's not clear to me why the CU has to be replaced
• a lot of the proposed work seems to lack an explanation in the report. Do these reports normally have no explanatory notes?

Also, there is no underfloor heating as far as I know.

I'm thinking I might get a "second opinion" EICR from another qualified electrician. Then ask for a quote separately.

I'd be grateful for any opinions.

 

[Markyd]

I dont suppose there was any chance he was related to the Buyers

 

[swaRRR]

So what? Why are they showing this to you anyway? Looks like they have a lot of work to do when they have completed the purchase. Personally I would not entertain such a gambit to get a reduction. I would stick to the price, take or leave it. Caveat Emptor!

100% this. To me, getting the EICR done is just to know what you're going to have to do to the place once you've bought it.

People do try to use it as a bargaining tool but i'd tell them to sling it.

If they are bothered enough that they've had this done and then make an offer, play hardball. They're not going to not buy their dream home for say £200k because they've got to spend £2.5k on a rewire at some point.

The price for my house was £X. I didn't try to negotiate 10 grand off for the windows that needed replacing, or 8 grand for the new kitchen i've had to put in, or 2 grand for the bathroom, or the grand for the rewire. You buy it, your problem as far as i'm concerned.

I put my Mondeo up for £650. Some guy on facebook offered me £400 straight away. I accepted. The car was in a mess, bodywork very poor covered in dents, scrawps, scrapes, dings. Brakes needed doing. Exhaust was rattling and needed pinning back up. All this was in the advert and i told him about it in the message before he came to get it.

He gets here, test drives it, and then tries to knock me down to £200 because of 'all the stuff i've gotta do to get it right' it's like howay mate you're gonna break it you're not reselling it as a driveable car.

He walked off after i told him the condition of the car was taken into account when i accepted £400 and i wouldn't budge. 10 mins after leaving he messaged me and paypal'd me the full lot.

When someone wants something enough to warrant making an offer, play hardball, they will most often not walk away.

 

[UNG]

Why is it that some people doing EICR's don't apparently proof read them before releasing them to the customer as you never know where they will turn up

That is one very poor and meaningless EICR and I would have to question whether the person carrying it out has the necessary knowledge and experience to be doing EICR's and the quote with no price breakdown of the individual items makes it look like the final figure was plucked out of the air to be somewhere close to a nice round figure

It is definitely a 50% EICR
There are 9 "see observations and pictures" yet there are only 4 pictures appended to the document
Only 3 circuits shown on the schedule of circuits and tests and only 2 tested
Did he do this with only one eye open as well

Although he is registered with the NICEIC I was wondering why he was using green certs but he is only registered as a domestic installer which may explain the lack of competence displayed

 

[loz2754]

but he is only registered as a domestic installer

Good point. The NICEIC rules don't allow domestic installers to do EICRs using their branding and logo.

 

[kropaske]

Good point. The NICEIC rules don't allow domestic installers to do EICRs using their branding and logo.

They do but additional assessment is needed (more money). You will then be listen on Rented Sector Scheme and CPS as able to do inspections.
Of course that does not change the fact that this eicr is full of carp

 

[Aaron b]

That EICR is pants. I doubt they need a 32amp radial for an induction hob. Aren't they normally 20amp or run off a plug top? Seems a bit of a chancer.

 

[swaRRR]

That EICR is pants. I doubt they need a 32amp radial for an induction hob. Aren't they normally 20amp or run off a plug top? Seems a bit of a chancer.

I know people who are sort of rigid with stuff based on category. So they have 6mm + 32/40a = hobs and ovens and they will not trust any other set up.

I put my oven on 1.5mm heat resistance flex because it's 2kw max and the manual said 1.5mm was recommended (it's a Zanussi).

I got basically told my house would burn down because 'ovens need to be on 6mm minimum' by someone. Like mate, max pull under normal conditions is like 9a. I hard wired it into an FCU at 13a but it could have basically been put on a plug top since it pulls less than my kettle.

 

[UNG]

That EICR is pants. I doubt they need a 32amp radial for an induction hob. Aren't they normally 20amp or run off a plug top? Seems a bit of a chancer.

I've seen hobs that will draw 2.5Kw all the way up to 8Kw so making a sweeping generalisation on 20A could leave you a few amps short as the hob rating isn't shown on the EICR

I know people who are sort of rigid with stuff based on category. So they have 6mm + 32/40a = hobs and ovens and they will not trust any other set up.

I put my oven on 1.5mm heat resistance flex because it's 2kw max and the manual said 1.5mm was recommended (it's a Zanussi).

I got basically told my house would burn down because 'ovens need to be on 6mm minimum' by someone. Like mate, max pull under normal conditions is like 9a. I hard wired it into an FCU at 13a but it could have basically been put on a plug top since it pulls less than my kettle.

Longevity of the fixed wiring will outlast most ovens and hobs adding a little bit of an overhead on the fixed cabling now can save a lot of time, effort and redecoration in the long run when an appliance failure occurs a bit of penny pinching now can cost many pounds in the future,
It is a conversation I've had many times with customers where their new hob or oven that is replacing an existing appliance can't be connected because the supply cable is too small for the new equipment that they have bought

 

[hasel5]

Pretty poor report as stated My question is if a domestic installer how can he have access to the Domestic EICR forms from the NICEIC?
And what's a high integrity DB with all RCBOS fitted?
My understanding of High Integrity was main switch with non protected ways then a couple of RCDS for protected ways
3 cables on a Radial not ideal but no issues at all
Also tell the buyer to get lost if he wants a reduction

 

[brianmoooore]

What on earth is the objection to 3 x 13A sockets off of a 16 radial, or am I missing something?
The last pic on the EICR is presumably to show the lack of a cpc to the metal back box. Although I still fit them on every new fitting, they have not been a requirement for some time, as long as one of the back box lugs is 'fixed'.
Time expired smoke alarms should be pointed out to the customer, and and possibly an offer made to replace them, but they are NOTHING to do with an EICR, and shouldn't be mentioned, other than anything relevant to their mains connection
13, in the observations, referring to the plastic consumer unit is (deliberately?) alarmist and misleading and inaccurate. There are reason to advise that the CU should be changed, and the quote should give that option, but the existing CU complies with the 18th, in that it complied with the current regulations when it was installed. All that the 18th states (escape routes excepted) i that you can't fit a NEW non fire resistant CU.

 

[Aaron b]

Offering a larger size Incase something changes in the future would be sensible. It's lack of understanding and only working to rules of thumb that cause statements like his to be made.

I am of course making assumptions that it's a usual hob and the electrician didn't check the manual based on the other incorrect statements and the quality of the report.

 

[jay sean]

Why has the lighting cct not been tested??