Alterations on old rewireable consumer unit

[Noob2013]

A friend has asked me to install a couple of extra sockets in there kitchen.

The consumer unit is an old Wylex with rewireable fuses so there is no RCD protection.

Would you carry out the work and recommend a new consumer unit/upfront RCD or would you not do the work unless they agree to have the extra work carried out aswell?

Some people are too tight or unable to afford the extra work so can't make them do it.

Cheers

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Just look it up in your copy of the BYB.

 

[telectrix]

well, he can't look it up in yours or mine. we're both too tight-fisted to have bought byb yet. :bigear:

 

[DPG]

I was under the impression that you couldn't omit RCD protection for domestic sockets by risk assessment. Daz

 

[Deleted member 26818]

No, I don't believe so DPG.
Originally we were allowed to omit RCD protection in non-domestic installations only because the EAWR required employees to be skilled or supervised.
They changed it to requiring a risk assessment because the exemption was being abused.
There was always an exemption for sockets for specific items, for all installations.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I was under the impression that you couldn't omit RCD protection for domestic sockets by risk assessment. Daz

I believe the regulation does say other than a dwelling about the risk assessment. Will have to check when I get home though.

 

[DPG]

You are right. Reg 411.3.3 states risk assessment for 'other than installation in a dwelling', but then exception (b) is still present to allow it for a labelled specific socket. Apologies - I mis-understood that. Daz

 

[telectrix]

I believe the regulation does say other than a dwelling about the risk assessment. Will have to check when I get home though.

yep.you can't sapply the risk assessment clause to a domestic populated mynumpties. however, the reg. about sockets for specific items applies to both domestic and ind/comm.

 

[Leesparkykent]

http://electrical.------.org/wiring-matters/54/rcd-protection-of-sockets/index.cfm for spin an Tel who haven't brought the BYB yet

 

[telectrix]

this bit is what spin and me was referring to:

• continues to permit the omission of RCD protection for a specifically labelled or otherwise suitably identified socket-outlet that has been provided for a connection of a particular item of equipment (see indent (b)).

 

[DPG]

this bit is what spin and me was referring to:

• continues to permit the omission of RCD protection for a specifically labelled or otherwise suitably identified socket-outlet that has been provided for a connection of a particular item of equipment (see indent (b)).

Yep, that stacks up with what the regs say. Daz

 

[ruston]

Lol, I've been trying to get this size right for ten mins. I don't know if it has worked

 

[Leesparkykent]

this bit is what spin and me was referring to:

• continues to permit the omission of RCD protection for a specifically labelled or otherwise suitably identified socket-outlet that has been provided for a connection of a particular item of equipment (see indent (b)).

Yeah the way i understand it is you can risk assess and omit rcd protection on an installation other than a dwelling but could label a socket for a specific piece of equipment and omit rcd protection whether that be domestic, commercial, industrial, etc obviously if the installation method allows.

 

[Dave OCD]

Makes good sense for freezers and/or fridges for example as long as the labelled socket isn't likely to be used for a lawnmower extension lead. :juggle2: In the past I've fitted MK 'T pin earth' sockets with a matching plug on the appliance, mainly because I got a few for free. :icon12:

 

[DPG]

As long as the wiring to the socket doesn't need RCD protection. SWA to the freezer socket Daz

 

[telectrix]

obviously then a metalclad socket with SWA glanded in via a 20mm galv. coupler on the tiles of their £10,000 designer kitchen.