alternative to part p certification

[kmiddleton]

Hi all,
I am a competant DIY'er and am renovating an 1820 stone lodge. I have just completed the first fix for the electrics with 2 ring main circuits and 2 lighting circuits. I have realised now that I will need a part p certificate, and am struggling to get an eletrician to check and issue a cert. Are there any alternative approaches that I can take to get either a part p cert or equivalant?

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Contact the Local Authority Building Control for the area and ask their advice as they dont all do the same things. Tell them what you're intentions are and ask them what you need to do to comply with Building regs etc, explain to them that you are not a Part P Registered electrician and cant self certify the job.

I would stop work now until you have spoken to them cos you may be taking floors up again etc.

Whereabouts are you?

Regards..............Howard

 

[roukel01]

Hi all,
I am a competant DIY'er and am renovating an 1820 stone lodge. I have just completed the first fix for the electrics with 2 ring main circuits and 2 lighting circuits. I have realised now that I will need a part p certificate, and am struggling to get an eletrician to check and issue a cert. Are there any alternative approaches that I can take to get either a part p cert or equivalant?

Be very careful, Building control are getting quite tight with this now. I'll doubt it very much that you'll find an electrician to sign your work off, unless they are actually involved in the work, they shouldn't be doing it anyway.

I've know Building control in my area making people chop plaster off walls and lifting floorboards to have a look at installation methods.
If you're going to do it yourself, get building control involved early, if you haven't alreay done so, get an On Site Guide and follow it very carefully!

 

[kmiddleton]

Thanks for the replies, Looks like the building inspectors then, don't like them getting involved if I can help it they always seem to pick on some thing else when when they come!!!!

I am based in sheffield SirKit

Thanks again

roukel,
where would i get an onsite guide from, are they available on line?

 

[carl9254]

Just wondering, im part p registered but not yet with NIC, Elecsa etc, so every job i do that is not minor work i have to get it passed off, but instead of paying BC to do it could i get a spark who has the 2391 too do it?? I know a few you see

 

[Mac]

No you can't mate unless they are Part P registered themselves

 

[roukel01]

Just wondering, im part p registered but not yet with NIC, Elecsa etc, so every job i do that is not minor work i have to get it passed off, but instead of paying BC to do it could i get a spark who has the 2391 too do it?? I know a few you see

Take a look on the NAPIT website, it explains on there that other electricians "Signing" other peoples work off does not satisfy part P. Unless they are actually involved in the installation, all they can do is sign the cert that they have inspected and tested it, and that they were not involved in the design and construction of that installation.

Thanks for the replies, Looks like the building inspectors then, don't like them getting involved if I can help it they always seem to pick on some thing else when when they come!!!!

I am based in sheffield SirKit

Thanks again

roukel,
where would i get an onsite guide from, are they available on line?

Get one on Amazon. There are two good books, the "onsite guide" and "Electricians Guide to the Building Regs"

Also, I've never actually had building control involved personally, but I suspect that they do not actually "Test" the installation, they'll simply inspect your work and check your certificates, therfore, I assume that you'll need the appropriate testing equipment and knowledge to test your work and produce a certificate. However, I might be wrong, but it'd be a good idea to find out!

 

[Des 56]

Just wondering, im part p registered but not yet with NIC, Elecsa etc, /QUOTE]

 

[kmiddleton]

Just read that cables installed under floors need to installed through holes drilled at 50mm in the joists below the floor, does this apply to ground floor where i have installed cables below the joists and fixed them with cable clips?

 

[roukel01]

Just wondering, im part p registered but not yet with NIC, Elecsa etc, /QUOTE]

I wondered that too Des

 

[sparks1234]

Just read that cables installed under floors need to installed through holes drilled at 50mm in the joists below the floor, does this apply to ground floor where i have installed cables below the joists and fixed them with cable clips?

No, this refers to when you are drilling joists, there are regulations as to where you can drill a joist and size of hole etc.

1/ holes should be as near to centre as possible
2/ Holes should be minimum of 50mm from both top and bottom of joist
3/ Holes should be between .25 and .4 of the span of the joist
4/ Holes should be at least 3 diameters apart
5/ Holes should not be within 100 of a notch
6/ Cant remember the maximum size hole allowed

 

[Des 56]

kmiddleton

Because the government brought in this unworkable and un enforceable nonesense without informing the general public of its existance,most of the general public could find themselves in your situation
The procedures should then be as described by others


However.
Suppose for a moment that you were unaware of these building control requirements (or part p as its called) as per the general public
Suppose for a moment that you were made aware that nobody has been prosecuted for an installation that was safe
Suppose for a moment that only very rare cases where the contractor was a cowboy and pretending to be a registered spark with the NIc was there anyone prosecuted
Suppose that those that were prosecuted for abysmal installations could be counted on the fingers of one hand
Suppose for a moment that the people who are minded with upholding this part p dont on the whole concern themselves with whether the installer is registered or not

Supposing all of the above,do you believe that if someone was unawre(as most of the public are) that they would ever become the attention of building control inspectors who are neither able or willing to police electrical installation
I wonder what decision you would then make?

 

[roukel01]

.... But it all boils down to when you come to sell the house, and it isn't signed off.

 

[kmiddleton]

Thanks to you all for your replies on this my first post, Des 56 I take your point, I intend to live in this house on my retirement and wonder if I didn't have a certificate when my kids come to sell it in 20 years or so wether anyone would be bothered and what new rules and regs would be on place by then? However I am trying to do this right and not get on the wrong side of the building inspectors as they do have to come back to the house to inspect other things!

 

[empress]

Just wondering, im part p registered but not yet with NIC, Elecsa etc, so every job i do that is not minor work i have to get it passed off, but instead of paying BC to do it could i get a spark who has the 2391 too do it?? I know a few you see

intresting registration theory ,don't know why i bother giving em all that money every year!!!
elfyn