Another example of why us legit guys are throwing money down the pan

LlandrilloSpark · Dec 14, 2012

Did an eicr today on a loft conversion wired by an unregistered spark, Eicr was requested by LABC once they realised they were not going to get the paperwork they wanted of this guy.
What we have here is the head guy at my LABC knowing who this guy is and saying "don't matter, your eicr tells us it's safe"
Thus guy blatantly not notifying and nothing is done to stop him

Welchyboy · Dec 14, 2012

I've had to do three or four of these lately for the LABC, builder does the electrics, and plays ignorant

i=p/u · Dec 14, 2012

hit the cu with hammer and say you need new cu aswell , cut the bonding, play their own game, dont get caught

LlandrilloSpark · Dec 14, 2012

Lol, brown sleeving missing & earths not terminated in drywall box's was the only things I could find!

SensesFail · Dec 14, 2012

I went to a job today not knowing what it was as the guy wouldn't explain on the phone. Got there and it was to certify a job that had been done by a friend on an extension.When asked who did this the response was vague. Looked at CU and gas bonding wasn't up to scratch! So I kindly left and explaind I wouldn't certify as I had not done the work. Not worth the hassle I reckon and I believe they may struggle to get one. Sparkys should be used a moral of the story!

ruston · Dec 14, 2012

i=p/u said:
hit the cu with hammer and say you need new cu aswell , cut the bonding, play their own game, dont get caught

Only trouble with that is that you are deliberately making it unsafe . Now that is a criminal act that you would get done for.No win situation there.

Plonker 3 · Dec 14, 2012

LlandrilloSpark said:
Did an eicr today on a loft conversion wired by an unregistered spark, Eicr was requested by LABC once they realised they were not going to get the paperwork they wanted of this guy.
What we have here is the head guy at my LABC knowing who this guy is and saying "don't matter, your eicr tells us it's safe"
Thus guy blatantly not notifying and nothing is done to stop him

We if thats the case maybe all us DIs who are part of the scams should not renew our membership and instead just issue a EICR instEad if a EIC

Deleted member 26818 · Dec 14, 2012

It's a common misconception that it is the responsibility of the installing electrician to make notification.
It is in fact the person who orders the work or ultimately the house holder who is responsible for making notification.
As such, as long as the electrician is not being pretending to be 'Part P' registered, they are doing nothing wrong, and there is nothing the LABC can do about it.
If the electrician is pretending to be 'Part P' registered, there is still nothing the LABC can do about it.
It would be a matter for Trading Standards.

i=p/u · Dec 14, 2012

at the end of the day, sign what you see fit and note what you dont...

ezzzekiel · Dec 14, 2012

spinlondon said:
It's a common misconception that it is the responsibility of the installing electrician to make notification.
It is in fact the person who orders the work or ultimately the house holder who is responsible for making notification.
As such, as long as the electrician is not being pretending to be 'Part P' registered, they are doing nothing wrong, and there is nothing the LABC can do about it.
If the electrician is pretending to be 'Part P' registered, there is still nothing the LABC can do about it.
It would be a matter for Trading Standards.

that is interesting info that i wasnt aware off - where can it be taken from for future reference?

LlandrilloSpark · Dec 14, 2012

90% of sparks masquerade themselves as "part p" qualified or registered, total crap but they get away with it

Deleted member 26818 · Dec 14, 2012

ezzzekiel said:
that is interesting info that i wasnt aware off - where can it be taken from for future reference?

Contact your local council.
Most of them have websites with information about planning applications and notifiying building control.
Here's a link to one: Building Notice
Here's another one: http://www.runnymede.gov.uk/portal/site/buildingcontrol/menuitem.530768b29f9420c1bd34909eaf8ca028/, check out note 1.

ruston · Dec 14, 2012

spinlondon said:
Contact your local council.
Most of them have websites with information about planning applications and notifiying building control.
Here's a link to one: Building Notice
Here's another one: Building Control > General guidance notes, check out note 1.

A quick myth debunk works wonders.

ayjay · Dec 14, 2012

SensesFail said:
I went to a job today not knowing what it was as the guy wouldn't explain on the phone. Got there and it was to certify a job that had been done by a friend on an extension.When asked who did this the response was vague. Looked at CU and gas bonding wasn't up to scratch! So I kindly left and explaind I wouldn't certify as I had not done the work. Not worth the hassle I reckon and I believe they may struggle to get one. Sparkys should be used a moral of the story!

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bigbaddave · Dec 14, 2012

SensesFail said:
I went to a job today not knowing what it was as the guy wouldn't explain on the phone. Got there and it was to certify a job that had been done by a friend on an extension.When asked who did this the response was vague. Looked at CU and gas bonding wasn't up to scratch! So I kindly left and explaind I wouldn't certify as I had not done the work. Not worth the hassle I reckon and I believe they may struggle to get one. Sparkys should be used a moral of the story!

I had a guy in Fenham do the same. Clearly wired himself. 4MM shower on 40a fuse and diagonal chases in the walls for wall lights. Wanted a db fitting but nothing connecting. But with cert..

I politely declined

GLENNSPARK · Dec 15, 2012

LlandrilloSpark said:
Did an eicr today on a loft conversion wired by an unregistered spark, Eicr was requested by LABC once they realised they were not going to get the paperwork they wanted of this guy.
What we have here is the head guy at my LABC knowing who this guy is and saying "don't matter, your eicr tells us it's safe"
Thus guy blatantly not notifying and nothing is done to stop him

well what you do...is find out who this guys `superior` is.....come on, dont you know theres lots of `official` lookin (and sometimes soundin off) hitlers around these days.....and usually at local government level.........so, what you do is find out who really is in charge there.....and just give them the opportunity to justify themselves (the office, the desk, the salary)......

Matty o · Dec 15, 2012

So what's stopping us from issuing a EICR limited to cover the new work building control get a legit cert and no scam provider is involved

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So what's stopping us from issuing a EICR limited to cover the new work building control get a legit cert and no scam provider is involved

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So what's stopping us from issuing a EICR limited to cover the new work building control get a legit cert and no scam provider is involved

BPW · Dec 15, 2012

So what do people think about the April 2013 changes then when a non-registered or DIY'er will come to an approved to get work signed off and cut out direct contact with LABC?

trev · Dec 15, 2012

BPW said:
So what do people think about the April 2013 changes then when a non-registered or DIY'er will come to an approved to get work signed off and cut out direct contact with LABC?

Lets put it another way. Without spending several chargeable hours conducting your own thorough inspection and test procedure are you going to be prepared to put your name to a legal document which says everything is fine with an installation.

i=p/u · Dec 15, 2012

Non registered spark = not payed to be part of scheme???

i=p/u · Dec 15, 2012

The guys with these decisions are crazy, you shouldn't put up with it.

LlandrilloSpark · Dec 15, 2012

Trev, is that not what we did on PIR and now on EICR?, putting out name & reputation against a document ? @ the end of the day the judgment is ours, we have the power, if in any slight doubt at all...it's a fail

trev · Dec 15, 2012

On an EICR it's an opinion though and you have the provision to say "this does not comply". On an EIC you are saying it complies.
I understand what you're getting at though

Welchyboy · Dec 16, 2012

BPW said:
So what do people think about the April 2013 changes then when a non-registered or DIY'er will come to an approved to get work signed off and cut out direct contact with LABC?

Are these changes defiantly goin ahead then? I knew they were being discussed as an option

i=p/u · Dec 16, 2012

they need to uturn and trust their sparks after all they paying millions to train them up..

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also up to clients/customer to do homework in who they employ