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Got a call to service an alarm and do some follow up work after a letting agency had the house tested.

Alarm was a scoosh but I was showed a form from the letting agency saying the property was good to go except for the cross bonding was to be upgraded in the cupboard with the central heating pipes the cable was 2.5 green instead of 4-6mm Ok I said how come the guy inspecting it did not upgrade the cable the customer said the letting company said it would be a conflict of interests for him to do this so I had another loook and here is what I found.
1. No main earth from supplier to MET
2. No earth to Gas meter
3. No earth to water main
4. the earh between the 2 small CUs was 4 bare strands of what looks like 1.0mm aluminium cable.
5. Porceliain fuse broken at both ends with exposed live parts.
6. Single VIR cables suppling the bell transformer
7. One half of the 2 way light circuit switch taped up (customer says that if you try and switch it on the fuse blows.
8. Lights are wired in VIR cables

To me it looks like the whole house is getting its main earth from the 2.5mm cable that is cross bonding the central heating and gas pipe as it is also connect to the spur supplying the CH.

Me said to customer is this a joke because you cannot rent this house out in this condition so recommended he go back to letting company and request a copy of the full PIR report he also asked for a smoke head in the hall but I think he will need all bedrooms and kitchen covered if it goes to multiple occupancy (is this correct ? )

Anyway open to comments here as I told the customer that I was not trying to rubbish the letting companies "spark" PS got the alarm to service and was thanked for my input.
 
The central heating pipes dont need to be bonded unless part of the system is outside of the equipotential zones,or in a special location where supplementary bonding is required. The other issues you picked up are serious defects which affect the safety of the installation,you could issue an electrical danger notice to the persons responsible for the maintenance of the installation.That way the ball is put in their court and they should act on it.
 
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Makes you wonder if the document actually is for the premises you attended and not doctored from another
with so many obvious faults

Having highlighted the problems does this mean you now have a conflict of interest and won't get the rectification work

I think in the coming years there is going to be alot of dodgy certification appearing as everybody tries to cut corners and costs and no doubt somebody will dream up a new scheme to regulate certification
 
Forgot to add guys that the main CU is a old 1950s MEM with porcilain fuse carriers and the othe CU is a 4 way wylex with rewirable fuses that originaly fed storage heaters that has now been converted to supply sockets.

It also sounds to me that the letting agency has someone on their books who has maybe done a bit of sparking or picked up bits from a guy in the pub either way I dont think I will get the work to rectify
 
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I'm with wirepuller, issue a danger notice. That installation is wholly dangerous. You can't have an installation with so many obvous faults, and then have it's only method of earthing as a bit of 2.5 tangled round a radiator pipe. Awful.

No, you won't get the work, but at least the work may get done.
 
Its sad that we are in the same market place as these incompetents

Yet another example of the need to scrap part p and regulate Pirs instead


Cover your rear with a registered letter,they may take it more seriously
 
Its sad that we are in the same market place as these incompetents

Yet another example of the need to scrap part p and regulate Pirs instead


I agree with Des.....you cetrtainly need a lot of experience and technical knowledge to compile a full PIR, and for the only requirement to compile them to be "competant" baffles me.

I for one believe that there should be a minimum requirement of a current regs qualification AND the 2391 in order to carry out PIR's.
 
part p is a good idea and is here to stay. however i think that the part p qualification gives you far far too much power.
it brings peoples level of competance up to a reasonable level to do some minor works and i think that that is all that it should allow you too do.
 

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