Brexit fallout

[Midwest]

I'll dig some up links later although you asked for response!, heading out although the New Zealand offer was across the media although only those media outlets that are not Pro EU, really strange that the Pro's didn't want to report optimistic news?

As for the FT100 you can easily graph check the last 5 years with a quick google search, its good precis my posts but I touched on so much it would be a marathon of links but as I said I will try russle some up tomoz

Can't knock for your responses, jus a bit long. Did read it though.

 

[Midwest]

I can kinda understand why Cameron decided to vacate the PM's office after the result of the referendum, and also see why Osborne decided not to run for the PM's job. It would have been a bit cynical running the country after their no campaign.

But I think it's a bit choice that Boris has decided not to run for Tory Leaders job, just because that idiot Gove chucked his hand in. After all those two and others convinced the majority of the populous to vote Leave.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want Boris for PM, but Gove is being accused of stabbing Boris in the back, I think Boris has stabbed the UK in the back IMO.

What with Labours debacle at the moment, we are starting to look a laughing stock.

I've just plucked one world news headline;

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/world/europe/boris-johnson-brexit-leaders-eu.html?_r=0

Leave camp, best get your act in order. :sad_smile:

I go back to my previous post. I know that this thread is about Brexit fallout, the referendums done and decision made, but I am a bit miffed to say the least Boris has deserted us.

If Remain had won and Cameron resigned (some would jump for joy!), I would be similarly peeved.

I see it like Moses leading the Israelites to the promised land, parting the waves and say 'I'm not coming with you!'.

Ultimately though, I'm quite pleased he's gone and the only truthful thing Gove has said in months/years was 'Boris isn't a leader', which Boris has proved with his deed.

 

[UNG]

After all those two and others convinced the majority of the populous to vote Leave.

Leave camp, best get your act in order. :sad_smile:

I think you are giving Johnson and Gove too much credit. The EU and it's attitude did more to bolster the leave campaign than they did. The EU has too many hidden agendas that a select few are working to. The remain set out it's stall with you know what we have as a member of the EU whilst ignoring where it will be in 10 - 20 years time if they continue on the current agenda they are working to, the EU is just a creeping 1984 style group but may be some like the domination style of some of the elitist member states

 

[Midwest]

I think you are giving Johnson and Gove too much credit. The EU and it's attitude did more to bolster the leave campaign than they did. The EU has too many hidden agendas that a select few are working to. The remain set out it's stall with you know what we have as a member of the EU whilst ignoring where it will be in 10 - 20 years time if they continue on the current agenda they are working to, the EU is just a creeping 1984 style group but may be some like the domination style of some of the elitist member states

Disagree. Whilst the more politically savvy, might have seen through either camps sandbagging or indeed genuinely knew the pros & cons for each side, there are a lot of people who didn't know what to make of the arguments either way, I include myself there.

In the end, I suppose most made an educated guess on which way to vote. The way each person came to that decision is debateable. But I think, some would of trusted the government, some just want out of EU full stop, economical consideration would of swayed either way, mitigating migrating was another pull and just 'trusting' a politician would have been another. Think that's how most GE's are won, i.e. Cameron v Miliband, Thatcher v Callaghan.

Therefore I think Boris did influence a lot of voters, he certainly attracted positive comments here from some members in the Brexit vote thread.

Anyhow, he's gone now, but I suspect he might turn up like a bad penny in a few months time posturing for some position, even might make another leadership bid in a few years time, if things go well for us outside the EU. Can hear it now 'I was the one that got us out of the EU'. Least Gove is open about his political manoeuvrings.

:shades_smile:

 

[Darkwood]

The link you provide Mid' is an article from the New York Times, now in the light that the majority of Americans don't actually understand our relationship with the EU and what has happened with our Brexit then with all respect I'll take the article with a pich of salt, even the President who butt licked Cameron as a favour didn't understand how we and the EU worked, therefore there input and comments have little bearing and all you need to do to clarify this is watch some Fox news snippets as apparently we have just left the UN.... its cringe worthy watching them trying to have intelligent discussions on American TV when some guests think we have left Europe too, let them stick to their own issues like that muppet Trump.

 

[andyb]

My 90 year old aunt voted out to "give Cameron a bloody nose" She didn't think we'd actually leave.

(Thanks for that auntie)

 

[telectrix]

intelligent discussions --- americans --- you must be joking. :44:

 

[tomspark93]

My 90 year old aunt voted out to "give Cameron a bloody nose" She didn't think we'd actually leave.

(Thanks for that auntie)

i must admit, I know a few people who voted out thinking that we wouldn't actually leave.

 

[UNG]

Disagree. Whilst the more politically savvy, might have seen through either camps sandbagging or indeed genuinely knew the pros & cons for each side, there are a lot of people who didn't know what to make of the arguments either way, I include myself there.

In the end, I suppose most made an educated guess on which way to vote. The way each person came to that decision is debateable. But I think, some would of trusted the government, some just want out of EU full stop, economical consideration would of swayed either way, mitigating migrating was another pull and just 'trusting' a politician would have been another. Think that's how most GE's are won, i.e. Cameron v Miliband, Thatcher v Callaghan.

Therefore I think Boris did influence a lot of voters, he certainly attracted positive comments here from some members in the Brexit vote thread.

Anyhow, he's gone now, but I suspect he might turn up like a bad penny in a few months time posturing for some position, even might make another leadership bid in a few years time, if things go well for us outside the EU. Can hear it now 'I was the one that got us out of the EU'. Least Gove is open about his political manoeuvrings.

:shades_smile:

I think to compare the outcome of a referendum to that of a general election is like comparing chalk and cheese. What you can expect from a general election is difficult to research as you are comparing a load of promises with no substance that soon turn into lies, with the referendum there was the EU's past and present to review and also the future agendas of the few who call the shots within the EU who now appear more than ever determined to destroy the UK for going against them.

To be honest I think Cameron did more for the leave campaign than Boris & co did as neither side fought with good coherent arguments all the debates where brought down to two points while ignoring the bigger picture

I don't think you needed to be politically savvy to see through the sandbagging it all started with Cameron's so called "reform" that was hardly mentioned during the campaign apart from the legal opinions as to whether it would stand or fall if we chose to remain couple that with Turkey's will they won't they be members of the EU anytime soon and Cameron's less than convincing responses. The remain campaign supporters that popped up at various times made comments that would make you think the EU was a massive pot of money dishing out big grants to UK organisations on an almost daily basis and research, scientific development and other supported organisations would cease to exist if we left. On the other side you had the confusion of how much do we really pay the EU and I don't even think the EU itself knows that one.

The whole result was really down to how you gathered the information to make that informed or not so informed decision on which way to vote as non of the mainstream debates really delivered answers

 

[Octopus]

The EU need to be careful ... if they decide to play hard ball and punish the UK, they will more than likely plunge the EU into recession..... which will be unhelpful to ALL of Europe, and potentially the world.

 

[telectrix]

The EU need to be careful ... if they decide to play hard ball and punish the UK, they will more than likely plunge the EU into recession..... which will be unhelpful to ALL of Europe, and potentially the world.

if they do, we would retaliate ( they sell more to us than we sell to them ). after a couple of years, the yanks might decide to help out. :aureola:

 

[Octopus]

if they do, we would retaliate ( they sell more to us than we sell to them ). after a couple of years, the yanks might decide to help out. :aureola:

With Merkel at the helm, I can't see this happening, she has an election next year and the UK accounting for 20% of their car production the last thing she wants is VW, Audi and BMW all on 4 day weeks

 

[telectrix]

me neither. just needs the germans to keep the froggies in line. then again, we buy a lot of renaults, peugeots, and citroens. god know why.

 

[Octopus]

me neither. just needs the germans to keep the froggies in line. then again, we buy a lot of renaults, peugeots, and citroens. god know why.

There are perfectly better cars produced around the world these days ......

 

[ruston]

That's a point overlooked with a lot of goods.