bungalow with bed room above , but not direclty above...

[egginyourface]

Doing a rewire at the mo where customer has requested down lighters to be fitted.

Above the room is an empty loft space but leads to a room.

Do fire rated spots still need to be fitted or are non standard fittings ok?

Where can i get info on this? I always fit if there is another flat above but unsure what needs to be done in this situation

 

[Des 56]

Requirements aside,why would you want to fit non fire rated ?

Please dont anybody else answer by saying "Its not unusual":blush5:

 

[egginyourface]

The customer is on a tight budget and asked if i could give a definite answer on wether fire rated down lighters are required.

If im supplying and fitting materials i always specify them. But on this occasion i need to show them on paper that fire rated fittings are required

 

[Dipzy]

I think there is something on the ESC website - best practice guides - downlighters. We had a loft conversion done about 4 years ago and had downlighters in the bedrooms below which were installed in 2003 / 2004 and they had to have intsumescent (spelling?) covers to comply with building regs.

 

[Des 56]

The way I see it,breaching a fire compartment is the main reason and a dwelling is usually one compartment,but there is also the acoustics and the falling of rubbish on top of them argument (although other remedies are there for that one)

Here is a link for a general rundown on them http://www.esc.org.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/industry/guidance/DownlighterTradeLfltweb.pdf

 

[Dipzy]

thanks Des that was the guide I was thinking about.

 

[egginyourface]

Thanks all

 

[Paul.M]

To save me from explaining the in's and outs of regs (dont stop me now) trust me you don't need fire rated down lights.

But now I'm here I'll play the game. It's a single dwelling without a dwelling above so fire protection is not needed incase of a flash fire going through the ceiling to another accommodation.

Save me from saying all this again, the mods should start a sticky on this subject so another one bites the dust on the theory that every down light needs to be fire rated.

You could just play the game and ask the customer to flash their cash and pay for their own safety, there isn't much difference in price after all.

 

[egginyourface]

When you say no dwelling above do you mean a separate flat? As this place is a bungalow with a loft space above which leads to a room above

This is very confusing

 

[egginyourface]

http://www.*****************forum.co.uk/electrician-talk-forum/18474-fire-rated-downlights.html

I found this discussion on the above forum.

Im looking through the part b fire safety

 

[RISElectrical]

Only required if the room above is occupied by another tenant. For example if it's part of the same family home then FR downlights not required. I'd still put them in as I can get for the same price as non FR but as per regs its not required.Correct me if I am wrong

 

[sedgy34]

for the price of them fire rated spots its a nobrainer

 

[Spudnik]

Ultimately if bc are involved they may insist on them, however from what you are describing, they are not required.

As other have said, I generally fit them anyway.


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[egginyourface]

Thanks all, going to leave it to the client to decide whats better for them.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

The customer is on a tight budget

Sounds like a tight backside!!

The only time fire rated should not be installed, if the mother in law has moved in and its her room above!!