Can anyone fail an item?

[ratboymark]

I fixed a lead of an drill that was damaged the other day, and was thinking if the customer had not wanted me to fix it could i of put a failed evan tho i arnt a pat scheme member as sometimes you do see things in houses witch are a fail without testing, normally i just tell people if i see something and they say fix it or bin it, but just wondered could i of put a fail on them?

 

[trev]

If you see something that you consider to be dangerous I think you're under a moral duty to tell someone

 

[Richard Burns]

You would not be able to put a PAT test fail sticker on them as it has not been fully tested and has no associated paperwork.
When observing a dangerous situation on an installation then one would normally provide a written notification of danger, you could say that attaching a label stating this appliance is electrically hazardous may be a method of providing written notification, but probably better to just provide a note to the customer.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I would have thought you would be able to put a fail label on a piece of equipment without first conducting a full PAT test.
What if you thought the state of the equipment was such that conducting a full test would be dangerous, or would damage the item?

 

[Richard Burns]

Spin yes I agree, if you are doing a PAT test but then you would have the details of the testing undertaken and the results, and the equipment failure log and the equipment repair log etc. so there would be some back up.
To stick a PAT test fail label on something without the back up would be indicative of a PAT assessment when this has not been done.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Sorrry Richard, yes I see what you mean.
I thought the OP was conducting PAT tests.

 

[ian.settle1]

The first thing you do when carrying ou PAT testing is a visual inspection if it fails this then you dont carry on any further.

 

[ratboymark]

I dont think I would of took this approach of the failed sticker as you all know will know the customer dosent want any electrical hazards in there home you just need to say and then they say fix it. I was mainly just was thinking could i and if additional paper work is needed then I can not unless part of a PAT scheme.
thanks for clearing that up, we were talking about it at work today and non of us have ever done PAT work so we were a little puzzled by it.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When I had to do PAT testing on the workshop equipment where I was working once.
I managed to kill a couple of battery drill chargers.
Never bothered with it since.

 

[the pict]

Chargers like PC, drills etc can be tested without the charger connected, test at the 240V IR & all you get is a 0 at the KV end test,
Pict

 

[SirKit Breaker]

The user check is the first requirement of In service test and inspection. if it fails this then it must be taken out of service and the responsible person informed.

If it fails a formal combined test and inspection at the visual stage, it has failed,END OF. Red sticker and out of service etc.
It would be very unwise to test an appliance which is obviously damaged, and potentially dangerous for obvious reasons.

The term "In service INSPECTION and TEST of electrical equipment"gives it away a bit. If you are carrying out PAT testing then at least get hold of the IEE code of practice issue 3, and get familiar with it.

Cheers..........Howard