UK Can't get an electrician to come out for a small job! So help needed!

[Novice]

Hi Due to Covid, I can't get an electrician to come out to fit a single semi flush lamp. So I am going to fit it myself.

So some advice would be very helpful - but if you live local to Stratford Upon Avon and happy to come out for a small job, please let me know.

At the moment there is a standard ceiling rose with what looks like 3 (red) loop wires.

I have looked at some online videos and they say use a Way Go connector for the loop wires - is this correct?

Fixing and assembling I can do - but I want to make sure that I am wiring the electrics properly.

I've attached some photos - is there any tips you can offer?

Thanks in advance!

 

[stevethesparks]

I'm no expert but have doubts whether it could ever pass a class 2 rating with their own single insulated conductors that will more than likely meet the tin foil once put into place.
Sorry to go on Novice
John Lewis do have an excellent returns / replacement policy, their price was pretty fair but as Westward10 has said, would liked to have seen the installation.
Unfortunately, many (or most) light fittings in this price range and many more expensive, fail miserably with their design - wall lights normally being the worst.

 

[Novice]

What are the odds of it being non compliant for £45.

I'm not sure what you mean? £45? The lamp was £180 - but got it for £90 in the sale - I thought it was a good buy...but no good if I can't get it fitted!

 

[Deleted account]

It

I'm not sure what you mean? £45? The lamp was £180 - but got it for £90 in the sale - I thought it was a good buy...but no good if I can't get it fitted!

was the cost of fitting the that @westwood got wrong and I corrected.

it wasn’t aimed at the cost of the light

 

[westward10]

I'm not sure what you mean? £45? The lamp was £180 - but got it for £90 in the sale - I thought it was a good buy...but no good if I can't get it fitted!

My error I was referring to the fitting cost but got it wrong. Just as well I'm not fitting it?

 

[Novice]

It

was the cost of fitting the that @westwood got wrong and I corrected.

it wasn’t aimed at the cost of the light

Oh that makes sense now - I was a bit confused about £45? It is annoying that John Lewis hasn't put more thought into what the are selling insofar as new light fixings. I am laughing (well a bit of a giggle) thinking that I could just fix it myself!! Thanks all for your advice!

 

[Cagethethird]

Just having a read of the instructions and it says to wrap the connections in insulating tape, that must be how you maintain class 2.........

I used to recommend people buy John Lewis light fittings but that was a good few years ago before they started using these awful connections.

If this was to be installed without the tape does that mean it doesn't comply with manufacturers instructions!?

 

[Deleted account]

Oh that makes sense now - I was a bit confused about £45? It is annoying that John Lewis hasn't put more thought into what the are selling insofar as new light fixings. I am laughing (well a bit of a giggle) thinking that I could just fix it myself!! Thanks all for your advice!

To be fare. How would John Lewis know. These lights are legal. And they are not electricians. They are retailers.

and don’t knock yourself for this. Another better designed light and you very well may have Ben able to sort it Yourself.

 

[Deleted account]

Just having a read of the instructions and it says to wrap the connections in insulating tape, that must be how you maintain class 2.........

I used to recommend people buy John Lewis light fittings but that was a good few years ago before they started using these awful connections.

If this was to be installed without the tape does that mean it doesn't comply with manufacturers instructions!?

Wow.

if the instructions state this they must know the fittings are not up to a acceptable standard.

using electricians insulating tape is clearly a cheap quick fix of the issue these fittings have.

I’m pretty amazed that any instruction in an electrical fitting require insulating tape as part of the installation To ensure safety.

 

[telectrix]

You have two reds and two blacks, one of the blacks has a red sleeve.
The one with the red sleeve on should be the switched live to the light (to brown). The black with no sleeve should be the neutral to the light (to blues) the remaining two reds to go into a two way wago. As the light fitting is double insulated/class2 the two earths (cpc's) can also go into a two way wago. Ensure all cables are pulled into the new fitting with no wires exposed in the ceiling void.
I do however suggest you employ an electrician to ensure correct polarity

spot on.similar to wtaht i sed before the pics were posted.

 

[westward10]

However the pics gave us the correct amount of conductors and the nature of the fitting.

 

[GBDamo]

You have two reds and two blacks, one of the blacks has a red sleeve.
The one with the red sleeve on should be the switched live to the light (to brown). The black with no sleeve should be the neutral to the light (to blues) the remaining two reds to go into a two way wago. As the light fitting is double insulated/class2 the two earths (cpc's) can also go into a two way wago. Ensure all cables are pulled into the new fitting with no wires exposed in the ceiling void.
I do however suggest you employ an electrician to ensure correct polarity

You can't pull the PLs in to the fitting to wago as they'll not be double insulated, it is the black rubber boot and crappy plastic box that offers the class2ness of the fitting.

I hate these, you have to wago box all the cables and run a flex to the light, PITA.

 

[GBDamo]

To be fare. How would John Lewis know. These lights are legal. And they are not electricians. They are retailers.

and don’t knock yourself for this. Another better designed light and you very well may have Ben able to sort it Yourself.

Sorry Pete that's a cop out, they damp well should know, they are selling cheaply made fashion lights at 'designer' prices.

Good money in it if you have no morals.

 

[goasis]

You can't pull the PLs in to the fitting to wago as they'll not be double insulated, it is the black rubber boot and crappy plastic box that offers the class2ness of the fitting.

I hate these, you have to wago box all the cables and run a flex to the light, PITA.

The rubber boot and the rest of the useless connection in these lights is irrelevant for maintaining class 2 if there are manufactured single insulated wires coming out the other side of it. These useless fittings boil everyone's blood. Good luck with anything except a single 1mm cable. While I'm at it... why the hell are the terminations on most dimmer modules so miniscule? 3 plated the switch position or wired in 1.5? Good luck!

 

[freddo]

I hope and pray that the designer of and the manufacturers that use those stupid white connector boxes with the tube sticking out, burn in hell for all eternity.

I've always wanted to visit one of these manufacturers just to ask them what they think they are doing, and to perhaps ask them to demonstrate installing their products to standard wiring systems.

This thread reminds me of a time I first fixed an extension bathroom and bedroom. I knew the lights were going to be chosen with the assistance of a lighting designer, but I did not know what models the fittings were going to be. So being the pessimistic person I am, I wired all the lights in such a way that there was only 1 1mm2 t&e cable at each fitting. Second fix time came, 2 models of light couldn't even be installed onto a single cable, it would only have been possible to install the lights in 0.5mm oval flex, and even then the cable entry was within millimetres of the fixing points...

Of course it's not all bad, you have to commend these lighting manufacturers for their equal opportunity employment policies, employing such large numbers of mentally disabled designers as they do.

 

[Dave OCD]

With lights like these I just take out the horrible black sleeve and worlds smallest connector block, fit decent connectors and earth the fitting. Better put a tin hat on I suppose. ?