certification

[Deleted member 26818]

The EIC should describe the extent of the work covered by the Certificate.
You should only record the results of inspecting and testing the work covered by the EIC.
If you inspect and test any of the existing installation, then you are effectivly conducting a Periodic Inspection, something that the BS7671 prohibits an EIC being used for.

 

[brucelee]

HI mate
so if there is selv but as its also protected BY ADS then I dont need to tick the box for selv
or for example you have double insulated fan and LV downlights that are double insulated I wouldnt have to tick the box marked double insulation becuase of the ADS

 

[brucelee]

Spin so I just fill in the details applicable to the work i am carrying out and the circuit details and test results of the circuits i am working on

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You tick whatever boxes apply.
If you install an item of equipment that uses SELV, then you tick it.
With down lights, the cable feeding the transformer uses ADS, from the transformer to the downlight, SELV is used.

 

[brucelee]

Thanks spin

I have installed a 230v ipx5 fan in zone 1 to replace the existing and its double insulated also

and as i have rewired and relocated the downlights in kitchen 230v GU!0s these are also double insulated so will tick the relevent box for double insualtion

 

[brucelee]

Thanks to all who have replied appreciate you taking the time to clear up my confusion

I will mither the elecsa guy to death when he comes lol and drop hints about reducing fees for minimal notifications as it costs me more to be registered and notify than it would to go through LABC lol

 

[Guitarist]

Let's not forget what the certs are there for... to record test results.
Common sense dictates that if you are carrying out a CU change, altering/adding circuits, then testing the whole lot to ensure it is safe and compliant, as long as what you have done is recorded on the EIC then I can't see the need for additional paperwork. It will all be recorded accurately and stated on the EIC.

All that said, if you do some work and notify it, then go back and do additional work, of course you will need to generate additional paperwork.

 

[brucelee]

Hi guitarist yes

I did a PIR last year but with lim on IR
then I have retested all circuits when doing the EIC for the NEW shed supply and CCU change a new circuit and some accesories replaced
then as there was a fault on lighting which i couldnt rectify immediatly i had to go back to sort that and at same time was asked to do some additioanl work

Wish they had jsut let me remove the floorring if needed in first place then i could have jsut issued a EICfor the Lot save laods of certs and notifications

cheers

 

[1shortcircuit]

Hi Bruce, I have only skimmed this thread but I would issue an EIC covering the lot if all of the work is notifiable. Reason being if you do an EIC and it's notifiable and a Minor Works that is also notifiable then that's two lots of notification.

If it's not notifiable then use a separate Minor Works certificate :thumbsup

 

[brucelee]

Hi mate yes would be better but the elecsa tech guy seems to think otherwise
which will mean 3 certs and 3 notifications as its a new circuit and addition and alterations to 2 existing lighting circuits in special locations or installations eg Kitchen and bathroom
and the formfill software i have only issues a MEIWC for one circuit so i will require
1 EIC and MEIWCs

 

[Guest55]

Hi mate yes would be better but the elecsa tech guy seems to think otherwise
which will mean 3 certs and 3 notifications as its a new circuit and addition and alterations to 2 existing lighting circuits in special locations or installations eg Kitchen and bathroom
and the formfill software i have only issues a MEIWC for one circuit so i will require
1 EIC and MEIWCs

F**k what the elecsa guy thinks , the certs are for the benefit of the customer so he has a record of work done , not for the schemes to use as an excuse to make extra cash.
If all the work can be squeezed on 1 EIC then its less paperwork for you ;-)

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Another thing to consider, is how many notifications would be made if you were not part of a scheme.
Would you make multiple notifications for what is essentially one lot of work?

 

[brucelee]

reg 633.1 states that
the requirments of 631 and 632 for the ssue of an EIC OR a MEIWC shall apply to all the work of the additons and alterations
631.1upon completion of the verification of a new installation or changes to an existing installation,
An EIC based on blah blah
631.2 upon the completion of a Periodic inspection and testing of an existing installtion A EICR shall be provided
631.3
where minor electrical installation work does not include the provision of a new circuit A MEIWC based on the model blah blah
may be provided for each circuit altered or extended as an ALTERNATIVE to a EIC

were in all that does it state i cant is what i will be asking him if the assessor asks
as from what i can see it states basically either are acceptable methods and as 1 EIC reduces paperwork and notification costs


the only bit is were malc states in the appendixes namely 6 pg 392
1. the electrical installation certificate is to be used only for the initial certification of a new installation or for an addition or alteration to an existing installation were new circuits have been introduced
It is not for periodic inspections a EICR should be issued
and for additions and alterations which does not extend to the introduction of a new circuit a minor electrical installation works certificate MAY BE USED

doesnt say has to be and doesnt say a EIC cant be used o an existing
at teh bottom under the guidance for recipients states this certificate is intended to be issued only for a new electrical installation or for new work associated with an addition or alteration to an existing installation it should not have been issued for the inspection and testing of an existing electrical installation an |EICR should ahve been issued


and after all this I am beginning to think what the BEEP BEEP is it all about and what the beep have i got involved with

 

[Guitarist]

I think you'll find that all of feel like that about the whole notification tedium....
Absolutely no point filling in multiple MWC's when you can record everything on the EIC correctly, then notify it all at once.

 

[brucelee]

yes mate
especially when the job is for my brother and the last one was for me mother in law a complete rewire and alarm system for free
so the job i used for last years and this one which will be this years so 2 jobs i have notified well if i issue a EIC for this it will be 3
My brother is kindly paying this years fees and if I get nowhere this year think it will al have been for nothing
well I will be qualified as i have almost completed my NVQ but think if i dont earn enough from it this year then wahts the point of being registered

plus the EIC is more detailed and full set of test results recorded for each circuit
I cant find anything in regs that says i cant so let them show me otherwise