church wiring?

[brs73]

hello there
i've been asked to provide 2no 16A tpn socket outlets in a church for 2no 9kw portable heaters.
all wiring in the church is in pyro and i was wondering if there were any regulations that state that all church wiring has to be pyro.
(i'm not being lazy but i'm moving house and my regs book is packed away in god knows what box!!).
i'm going to use either a 4h2.5 pyro (if i can get some) or the equivalent in FP or SWA over a 50 meter run. backed up by a 16A tpn MCB.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance

 

[jaresquire]

Not aware of any regs, presume its because the pyro is mechanically strong, easily shaped around stonework and the colour blends well.
Plenty on this forum may know better thou.

 

[nickblake]

Not heard of anything but jarsquire has said probably to shape and protect done loads of churches that are wired like this , one problem you may have is the existing pyro may well be imperial and the new will be metric its a swine to match as pots dont fit ,thats if you have to join it that is but direct from the board you should have not probs

 

[malcolmsanford]

I think MICC is the prefered method of installation but I tend to think this is just practice rather then regulations. Most churches are listed buildings and as such you will need to consult with the church itself and the local building authority.

 

[Engineer54]

Let's face it, MICC will generally follow contours better than most other types of permanent cable systems. And that really is the key word ''Permanent''!! MICC will out last and out class the best of the rest!!! Also weathers to blend in with the fabric of most of the older style churches... In short, there's nothing much that can replace MICC cables for these types of buildings....

Might have a lot to do with insurance requirements too!!! ....lol!!!

 

[mogga]

probably more to do with the blending in and ability to run with the contours Check to see if its listed as there MAY be restrictions on visable equipment which will also affect your 3pn socket outlets Have fun

 

[BlueToBits]

We have done quite a few churches. The specifications from the area dicosees insist that the installation is in accordance with 'Wiring In Churches'. After much hunting, I found this to be a rather outdated booklet which dictates where cables can and cannot be run. They insist on MICC which no-one stocks in any quantity now seems only to be made to order. They still won't accept FP200 or SWA.

 

[JonathanP]

We had a similar issue in a pub and town hall once. It turned out for us, it was the local authority that was pulling the strings and had no relevence to the regulations? They simply wanted the installation to be in keeping with the building. Yes MICC is a much better installation as far as time is concerned, however we have come across installations with black enamel conduit containing VIR and it is as if the installation was installed only yesterday?

 

[Engineer54]

Quite agree with you on the black enamel conduit and the VIR cables, absolutly nothing wrong with them, ...when they were used in the right circumstances. The only thing with the old VIR, and TRS cables were, that they tended to crumble at termination points. Especially when those termination points were subject to extended periods of heat from say light fittings or overloading...

But no matter what circumstances, there isn't another generally available wiring system that can match the advantage qualities of a professionally installed MICC installation. And as i said, it will physically, electrically out last and out class the best of the rest!!!

 

[brs73]

thanks for your replies people
one more thing
does god normally pay by cheque or can i set up a bacs transfer??

 

[JonathanP]

God pays in kind, keep the faith my friend and remember that he is watching at all times so dont be spacing your clips too far apart when installing the MICC!

 

[malcolmsanford]

God pays in kind, keep the faith my friend and remember that he is watching at all times so dont be spacing your clips too far apart when installing the MICC!

Just a tip for all the non MICC installers here, for the clip spacing a decent claw hammer and fit the clips the same length as the hammer, and cut your self a piece of 2" x 1" noggin wood about an inch shorter than the saddle spacing to dress the cable with, works a treat.

Also always cut the 1st 6" off the end of the pyro roll when you start installing, the amount of times I forgot and payed the price for that.