Code 3 for usign Sheath of MICC as CPC

[JameZZZ]

This has probably come up before but I cant seem to find it. I have been presented with an EICR produced by another company where they have put a code 3 down for using the sheath of mineral insulated cables as the CPC. No further explanation on the observations and recomendations sheet. No requirement for bonding (its on final circuits), cross sectional area of sheath is fine, no sign of degredation, dead and live test readings low.

I dont understand why they have done this? Am I missing something? The client wants the cables replaced because of this report..........so it is an issue. Any help or insights are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[telectrix]

perfectly normal to use the copper sheath of MICC as cpc. that's what it's for (as well as offering the best mechanical protection ). the guy who coded it is an arse. assuming that it's correctly glanded and readings are acceptable.

 

[JameZZZ]

Thanks Telectrix, Thats what I thought.

 

[littlespark]

Moron. (Not you, the code 3 test monkey)
Of course the sheath is cpc. You get 2 core MICC for a feed and neutral, where does he think the cpc comes from?
Some of the pots come with earth tails soldered onto for goodness sake.

 

[Ian1981]

C3 really!!? How else would you provide a cpc when using 2 core MICC?

 

[littlespark]

Tell us what else he’s C3’d wrongly. It’s friday and we all need a laugh

 

[Strima]

I've seen C2 for missing labels in the past, I'd hate to see what that particular clown would have coded the MICC CPC...

 

[Flanders]

As others have said No code required ( as long as its terminated correctly)I,ve just had one today Code 1 for exposed bus bar inside a DB , Code 2 for no mixed wiring colour sticker ,Code 1 for a bit trunking lid missing , Code 2 for no DB chart ,the list goes on

 

[JameZZZ]

Thanks for all the replys. He hasn't coded anything else, just about 10 C3's, one for each MI circuit . He wasn't a complete numpty as he did not C2 this and assess as unsatifactory thank god, but the client is twitchy because they are a local authority and the current climate means the words 'improvement recomended' make them worry about risks to tennants! I am going to go back and reasure him.

 

[7029 dave]

I bet he has never seen MICC before.

 

[Rosco]

I bet he looked at it and firstly called the scrap man to see the value of MICC and then worked out his price for replacing it all bloody chancer!!

 

[littlespark]

It’s not the copper he needs to take to the scrap.
Bag up the white powder and sell it on a street corner.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks for all the replys. He hasn't coded anything else, just about 10 C3's, one for each MI circuit . He wasn't a complete numpty as he did not C2 this and assess as unsatifactory thank god, but the client is twitchy because they are a local authority and the current climate means the words 'improvement recomended' make them worry about risks to tennants! I am going to go back and reasure him.

Is matey a real electrician, or a plastic one?

 

[JameZZZ]

Is matey a real electrician, or a plastic one?

Was real untill a few years ago, now plastic.

Was it the long words?

 

[Pete999]

Was real untill a few years ago, now plastic.

Was it the long words?

So not much experience with MICC then?

 

[JameZZZ]

So not much experience with MICC then?

None, except doign one pot at college on C+G 2330 about 12 years ago.

 

[westward10]

Another example why Periodics should only be carried out by competent experienced people.

 

[Dillb]

You have a copy of the EICR which will contain the details of the person who carried it out, have you contacted them to enquire why they have coded it as such?

 

[netblindpaul]

Toilet paper EICR, no requirement to change anything, no code unless incorrectly terminated.
Just ignore the idiot who did the EICR, they are incompetent.

 

[westward10]

I would be asking the client to confirm from the originator of the Report a Regulation number to confirm the statement.

 

[baldelectrician]

I would be asking the client to confirm from the originator of the Report a Regulation number to confirm the statement.

That's the point I was just about to make.

 

[westward10]

Would be nice to know if he went down this route and any response, if any were given.

 

[Pete999]

The " electrician" that coded the MICC is a dipstick, your customer who wants all the cable replaced is also a dipstick, never in my working life have I heard such a load of old BS. Get hold of Mr Muppet the sparks who coded the MICC and ask him politely in front of the Chap who paid good money for the duff EICR to explain his reasoning, guarantee you he will make a complete fool of himself, he ought to be ashamed of himself, sell his tools, stop paying whatever scam he belongs to, and take up Plumbing. Sorry one more thing are there any Zs readings for these "non-earthed" circuits?

 

[Toneyz]

more thing are there any Zs readings for these "non-earthed" circuits?

He has C3 coded it as the copper sheath is used as the cpc, the only explanation that I can think of is corrosion to the sheath due to the environment but thats why you have the PVC over sheath.

 

[Pete999]

He has C3 coded it as the copper sheath is used as the cpc, the only explanation that I can think of is corrosion to the sheath due to the environment but thats why you have the PVC over sheath.

I can think of one more reason: he is a clown.

 

[Pete999]

Reading back over #9 where the OP says the client is a Local Authority, makes me wonder what sort of technical people they employ, someone must have realised that the Guy doing the testing has made a monumental cockup, in coding the install as he had.

 

[telectrix]

Reading back over #9 where the OP says the client is a Local Authority, makes me wonder what sort of technical people they employ, someone must have realised that the Guy doing the testing has made a monumental cockup, in coding the install as he had.

it's a local authority, Pete. anyone sees it , they'll pass it on to another desk for fear of being branded racist/sexist/or tried for sexual harrasment/discrimination.

 

[Pete999]

it's a local authority, Pete. anyone sees it , they'll pass it on to another desk for fear of being branded racist/sexist/or tried for sexual harrasment/discrimination.

Not my problem so I'll pass it on syndrome then?

 

[telectrix]

eggsackley

 

[Toneyz]

It's not one of the jobs Pete was at when he was an apprentice and was sent to polish the MICC's must have polished to enthusiastically and has reduced the CSA of the sheath. Tin hat on.

 

[Pete999]

It's not one of the jobs Pete was at when he was an apprentice and was sent to polish the MICC's must have polished to enthusiastically and has reduced the CSA of the sheath. Tin hat on.

Never said I polished the MICC enthusiastically Ant, a quick rub to get rid of the patina, and that's it.