common departures and codes

[Tapouchoke]

Hi all topic for chat
just wanted to ask if anyone had a list of common departures and codes??
I had one a few years ago but have missed paced it

Apart from the obvious ones socket outlet in swimming pool lol

 

[T&Earth]

Hi Tapout,choke

Not too sure myself, but follow links, may help!

Periodic Inspection Reporting | Electrical Safety Council



Periodic Inspection of Existing Domestic and Similar Installations

Steve

 

[Sintra]

Elaectrical safety council best practice guide No. 4

Best Practice Guides | Electrical Safety Council

 

[Des 56]

You may find some of the esc/nic coding and the recomended coding conclusions a little puzzling
A Code 2 being unsatisfactory in their eyes

They are comprehensive,and with a pinch of real world salt mixed in they may be handy

 

[pevvers]

A Code 2 being unsatisfactory in their eyes

I have to say that I agree with them, surely if something requires improvement then it can't be satisfactory can it?

 

[Risteard]

I have to say that I agree with them, surely if something requires improvement then it can't be satisfactory can it?

That's a judgement call for the Inspector.

If something requires further investigation how can you be sure that it's satisfactory?

 

[pevvers]

That's a judgement call for the Inspector.

Surely he's already made his judgement call saying that it requires improvement? Therefore to be satisfactory, has to be put right. No?

If something requires further investigation how can you be sure that it's satisfactory?

You can't be sure it's satisfactory, which is why code 3's are very much a judgement call.

What the ESC are trying to get round to people is that code 1's should be for immediate danger, live metalwork, no earthing, big holes you can stick your fingers onto live parts through etc. Code 2's are for things that aren't gonna bite you on the bum right now, but have the chance to given the right circumstances, and should be rectified. They feel that in the event of a code 1 then an electrical danger notification should be issued, and I agree with them, as I'm sure when they all put their heads together their knowledge is a lot better than all of us on here. Also, all the big schemes had a hand in the BPG4, so it can't even be seem as another one of the NICEIC rip-offs....

It doesn't matter much about codes now anyway, as the whole PIR process is being overhauled in the first amendment.

 

[Risteard]

IEE guidance simply states that it would not be reasonable to consider an installation with Code 1 deviations to be in a satisfactory state. As they write the Regulations, it is my opinion that a Code 2 deviation could still result in a satisfactory outcome at the discretion of the Inspector. Therefore I do not feel bound by NICEIC advice (unless I was carrying out a Periodic Inspection for an NICEIC company - in this instance obviously I would have to consider their advice).

 

[pevvers]

Different strokes for different folks!

I think the fact that the ESC have the given the guidance they have helps no end, as I've had to argue the ---- with enough people on my thoughts on coding, so now there is a standard I can use that for ammo.

But each to their own!

 

[Benny_Boy]

This arrived at my door from a mate in London who's just had a PIR done and he's asked me to have a look at it. Anyone see anything they disagree with?......... I do. I'm sure 16) is a bit fishy, and bearing in mind it's 25 years old i'd find it hard to give it a code 2 for not having an rcd.


I've just shrunk it a bit!

 

[Risteard]

I'm sure 16) is a bit fishy

Indeed. The voltage is 230V not 240V.

 

[Benny_Boy]

Indeed. The voltage is 230V not 240V.

I was thinking more like it's fine to have a 230v fan in zone 1.

 

[Risteard]

I was thinking more like it's fine to have a 230v fan in zone 1.

Only if it has an adequate IP rating plus all circuits in a room containing bath/shower require RCD protection. Supplementary bonding was inadequate also according to report.

 

[Benny_Boy]

Only if it has an adequate IP rating plus all circuits in a room containing bath/shower require RCD protection.

indeed!

This then throws up an interesting debate. If the fan has been installed after the original installation but before it was deemed necessary to have an RCD in a bathroom, should an RCD be fitted retrospectively?
I'm genuinely asking here because you chaps have far more experience than me.

*edit*

I'll grant you that if no rcd is present then the sup bonding better be up to scratch, I told my mate as much.


*another edit*

just wondering then if it's only ok to have a 230v fan in zone 1 IF you have an RCD protecting the circuit which feeds the bathroom.....

you know what, it seems like the more I learn, the more there is to know!