Common story can someone sign off my extension for me

[charlie76]

I have just been messaged on facebook by someone who has had an extension and for one reason or another the spark (probably the builder) has gone AWOL and they cant get the EIC or part p notification. I am advising them that the best they would get now is an EICR unless they can get the original installer back. What do they do about part p or should they just ask building control if they will accept an EICR to sign off the build?

 

[buzzlightyear]

they should ask the local building control about EICR report for that installation and they will ask who was the builder he will ask. and the builder will know that they on his case .

 

[HandySparks]

... or should they just ask building control if they will accept an EICR to sign off the build?

Yes, exactly that.

 

[Wilko]

Hi Charlie - you are right, must happen a bit and eicr will be the way to go.

 

[buzzlightyear]

no good for the person who has not got a EIC for the solicitors
when they sell on .

 

[Toneyz]

This seems to be happening too often it as an EICR will not inspect the wiring concealed in the fabric of the building. It is about time the LBC's start handing out fines to the person that employed who did the wiring/electrician.Names would soon be passed on unless deep pockets by those who do the work.

 

[buzzlightyear]

This seems to be happening too often it as an EICR will not inspect the wiring concealed in the fabric of the building. It is about time the LBC's start handing out fines to the person that employed who did the wiring/electrician.

I blame the Num skulls who employ the bad trades man and not put a contract in for that work. probably not got paid for the job.

 

[Toneyz]

It is making a mockery of the intention.

 

[buzzlightyear]

some councils say if you not had your property part p tuff .
don't expect us to chase after the person who did your elecs.

 

[charlie76]

some councils say if you not had your property part p tuff .
don't expect us to chase after the person who did your elecs.

I guess they are correct with this to some extent though. Compliance with building regulations is the responsibility of the property owner, sadly not a lot of property owners are aware of that and they think it is the responsibility of the installers/trades/builders. Your responsibilities | Planning Portal - https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200187/your_responsibilities

 

[Toneyz]

some councils say if you not had your property part p tuff .
don't expect us to chase after the person who did your elecs.

Then what's the point in building control.

 

[charlie76]

Then what's the point in building control.

To ensure that property owners are complying with the approved documents when they have work done on their property, whether they do it or get someone in to do it, it is ultimately their responsibility.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Then what's the point in building control.

they are more concerned about new builds going up at the moment then old property's.

 

[Toneyz]

they are more concerned about new builds going up at the moment then old properties.

I think the likes of NHBC have cornered that part of the building regulations.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I guess they are correct with this to some extent though. Compliance with building regulations is the responsibility of the property owner

did they not put plans in for the work or was they hood winked.

 

[charlie76]

did they not put plans in for the work or was they hood winked.

I dont know a lot about it. I've just responded with the bad news to him that he won't get anyone above board to issue an EIC. I'm not sure plans would detail much on the electrical though would it?

 

[buzzlightyear]

the people in question ,once the horse has bolted !

 

[buzzlightyear]

I dont know a lot about it. I've just responded with the bad news to him that he won't get anyone above board to issue an EIC. I'm not sure plans would detail much on the electrical though would it?

ill test it for a coupe of bit coins .

 

[kenny7askew]

i suppose if it was a relatively minor piece of work and you could inspect all of it and you did all the associated tests and you felt comfortable with it and the money was right,maybe not so bad,i know i know

 

[buzzlightyear]

i suppose if it was a relatively minor piece of work and you could inspect all of it and you did all the associated tests and you felt comfortable with it and the money was right,maybe not so bad,i know i know

yeah ,and what about the insurance you got if the property burns down!

 

[buzzlightyear]

sorry no third party for me.

 

[kenny7askew]

yeah ,and what about the insurance you got if the property burns down!

like i said if your comfortable with it

 

[Toneyz]

sorry no third party for me.

The third party was introduced to stop building inspectors getting overwhelmed. If each stage in inspected and is done correctly I see no problem with it but this is not the case here.

 

[kenny7askew]

if its a minor ish job and you are confident with your testing skills,smile and take the money

 

[Risteard]

if its a minor ish job and you are confident with your testing skills,smile and take the money

Inspection is far more important than testing though - testing merely supplements inspection.

 

[charlie76]

if its a minor ish job and you are confident with your testing skills,smile and take the money

Yea but what about someone who has wired diagonally across the wall. I wouldn't be comfortable with it without seeing the wiring routes.

 

[kenny7askew]

Yea but what about someone who has wired diagonally across the wall. I wouldn't be comfortable with it without seeing the wiring routes.

then dont do it,its about judgement, i did say if you can inspect all

 

[Taylortwocities]

The third party was introduced to stop building inspectors getting overwhelmed. If each stage in inspected and is done correctly I see no problem with it but this is not the case here.

Yes, but most of the CPS have not included third party as an option for their members. And of the one or two that do offer it have had a very low take up from their electricians.

 

[kenny7askew]

Inspection is far more important than testing though - testing merely supplements inspection.

absolutely,but you make a judgement as you see fit at the time

 

[kenny7askew]

Yea but what about someone who has wired diagonally across the wall. I wouldn't be comfortable with it without seeing the wiring routes.

then you would walk away

 

[charlie76]

Yes, but most of the CPS have not included third party as an option for their members. And of the one or two that do offer it have had a very low take up from their electricians.

Third party still requires inspection at all stages does it not?

 

[Stspark]

With an eicr being unregulated and with some 'electricians' offering them for as little as £70 it is concerning that the LABC would deem a eicr acceptable in the above situation.

 

[Octopus]

With an eicr being unregulated and with some 'electricians' offering them for as little as £70 it is concerning that the LABC would deem a eicr acceptable in the above situation.

One LABC near me will ONLY allow an EICR by a handful of approved contractors - and for quite a large sum of money too.

 

[charlie76]

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With an eicr being unregulated and with some 'electricians' offering them for as little as £70 it is concerning that the LABC would deem a eicr acceptable in the above situation.

not sure they will deem it acceptable. I just told the guy to enquire as one of his options. £70, jees I charge a day for one and I find that a push to do a thorough job.

 

[buzzlightyear]

With an eicr being unregulated and with some 'electricians' offering them for as little as £70 it is concerning that the LABC would deem a eicr acceptable in the above situation.

you will not get me out of bed for that, even with a cup of tea.

 

[Spoon]

I guess they are correct with this to some extent though. Compliance with building regulations is the responsibility of the property owner, sadly not a lot of property owners are aware of that and they think it is the responsibility of the installers/trades/builders. Your responsibilities | Planning Portal - https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200187/your_responsibilities

If the builder says hes going to sort it out then isn't it down to him to get it sorted? If not then he hasn't finished the job, so don't pay him.