Competency to turn off (condemn) circuits?

[Kate]

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...rum/28395-electrical-danger-notification.html

theres a pdf on that thread

 

[trev]

I don't know if there's an actual legally accepted wording of it if I'm honest. As long as you're saying in very clear language that circuit X is dangerous for the following reasons A B C
and it states that it should not be energised under any circumstances. Providing your client signs to acknowledge receipt of it then I'd say you'd be in the clear.
Could be wrong of course

 

[Lucien Nunes]

And if I'm not locking the circuit, I put two 'Danger - do not switch on' notices on the point of isolation too, in case the person receiving the danger notice bins it and leaves it to someone else unsuspecting to switch the circuit back on. One has to be removed to get the breaker on, the other doesn't so that there's more of a chance that the warning will be there at a later date if the fault hasn't been rectified.

 

[richy3333]

I caused a commotion on a decent homes programme a few years back, a woman had severe OCD and wouldn't allow any of us in here house because of the mess we'd generate so we waited until she went into hospital and her son let us in to do the periodic.

A list a defects as long as your arm was (legitimately) produced one of which was no earth facility, we had 2 days to rewire, install a kitchen and bathroom. You could barely swing a cat in that place when we were all at full speed.

Poor old bugger died during the night of day 2 so we needn't have busted a gut after all

Some people are so inconsiderate

 

[NDG Elecs]

Right or wrong, we are not the Electrical Police, and therefore have no right in law, to deprive a customer the use of his private property. Them's the facts of the matter!!

As the old saying goes you can't educate pork, so all you can do is leave the offending circuit in a de-energised condition (MCB Off or fuse Removed from carrier) and issue a ''Danger Notice''!! If the customer then wishes to switch the MCB on, or replace the fuse in it's carrier, that's solely down to that person's actions, ...it's not your problem!! You as an electrician have complied with your Duty of Care....

Totally agree with that. I would also put a warning sticker on DB and take photo of it in situ.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Totally agree with that. I would also put a warning sticker on DB and take photo of it in situ.

I would go a step further and cable tie the householders hands behind his / her back to ensure he / she cannot remove the label.

Just how far are we expected to go with this??? :banghead:

 

[Gavin A]

I would go a step further and cable tie the householders hands behind his / her back to ensure he / she cannot remove the label.

Just how far are we expected to go with this??? :banghead:

Is this 16th edition protection against faulty customer?

 

[Knobhead]

Haven’t we enough trouble with Electrical Trainee’s bullying customers in to full rewires because the Electrical Trainee doesn’t understand previous versions of the regs.
Give them the power to legally terrorise customers and ¾ of the country’s domestic supplies will be cut off.

 

[NDG Elecs]

Haven’t we enough trouble with Electrical Trainee’s bullying customers in to full rewires because the Electrical Trainee doesn’t understand previous versions of the regs.
Give them the power to legally terrorise customers and ¾ of the country’s domestic supplies will be cut off.

I know a gassafe lad that seems to do that. He only has to look at an appliance and it's condemned!

Me personally, I would notify client if it is not a quick fix. If it was I would just sort it out there and then. If not I would; isolate cct, written warning notice, sticker, photo, home! In that order!

 

[Knobhead]

A disabled friend Dave was told he had to have the boiler replaced as it was failing the pressure hold test. New boiler dully fitted it still failed but the plumber cleared off with £X000 in his pocket.
I traced the leak to a gas fire. Called the plumber and stood over him while he fixed the fire then invited him to come and have a word with Dave and I. He left minus a cheque for £1000. Dave’s sister in law ran a letting agency, said plumber lost all his work there as well.

 

[Guest111]

Some years ago I came across a very and I do mean VERY dangerous installation,There were numerous issues that posed a threat to life and limb,however the guy didn't care and just wanted the power back on.There were young kids in the property and the situation did not sit well with me and I was unhappy leaving it as it was,then I spotted my way out.the meter tails were old VIR,s from the service head to meter and meter to CU,they were in such poor condition that they were bare in places,I removed the service fuse and rang the DNO,After outlining my concerns to one of their engineers(if you ever have a major issue just ask to speak to the duty engineer) he advised me that he had one of their men en route to the address in question and for me to leave and take the fuse with me,as it was their property not the householder,and if when his man got there,the installation was as bad as I had stated then the engineer would also remove the meter and it would not be replaced until an inspection certificate with all defects rectified was produced.The customer swore at me quite a bit,but I slept that night without having nightmares about burning houses and dead children.Incidentally the initial call was to a loss of power that had actually blown the service fuse,sometimes you just have to decide how far you are willing to go.

 

[amckay]

There is a lot of people with a lot of opinions about this matter and I rekon my opinion is probably the most diplomatic
Advise customer the circuit is unsafe and detail potential dangers (both verbally and written) make a record of findings, request permission to lock off circuit, if customer refuses get them to sign a disclaimer to cover your backside, place warning stickers/labels on CCU leaving circuit OFF but not locked out. Its then up to customer to energise circuit and if the gaff burns down at least you have performed your duty of care and have the evidence to back you up when HSE come sniffing. And at same time you havnt pi$$ed off the client.
Everyone's a winner.

 

[Geordie Spark]

A disabled friend Dave was told he had to have the boiler replaced as it was failing the pressure hold test. New boiler dully fitted it still failed but the plumber cleared off with £X000 in his pocket.
I traced the leak to a gas fire. Called the plumber and stood over him while he fixed the fire then invited him to come and have a word with Dave and I. He left minus a cheque for £1000. Dave’s sister in law ran a letting agency, said plumber lost all his work there as well.

The test formerly known as "Gas Soundness Test" - Now known as "Gas Tightness Test",

 

[Guest111]

The test formerly known as "Gas Soundness Test" - Now known as "Gas Tightness Test",

And before that it was called"prince" lol

PRINCE PURPLE RAIN - YouTube

 

[Knobhead]

The test formerly known as "Gas Soundness Test" - Now known as "Gas Tightness Test",

Whatever.

My gas certificates are for industrial gas installations. We tested the valves using vacuum. The same system is used by Transco.