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Hi, working on a job, guy wants all appliances on grid switch, the oven needs 32amp supply so best way I can think of is 6mm into contactor 6mm to cooker then 1.0mm from contactor to 20amp DP in grid switch to keep it on grid???
Thing confusing me is the grid is on a 4mm 32amp at the moment and the 6mm will be from a 32amp MCB but that will mean the DP controlling contactor is on one circuit and oven fed between contactor is on another
Thanks
 
But you said the 1mm contactor coil feed was going to be taken from the RFC. The RFC is protected by a 32A device is it not?
Yes I see now, so if I put the 20amp DP on a 20amp MCB send a 2.5mm 3 core from contactor to 20amp DP so will have Perm L from MCB and SL to contactor cool and N which isn’t needed which will just go straight to contactor
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Literally this is such a muddle... why not just order the 32A dp switch which is perfect for the job, electrical2go sell them, and then go back and swap, I'd put it on the 20A dp you have for now and put a 20a mcb in?
It’s bought now, plus I’m working with a sparky anyway I’m not qualified but doesn’t seem to know hence why I’ve asked on here
 
It’s bought now, plus I’m working with a sparky anyway I’m not qualified but doesn’t seem to know hence why I’ve asked on here

Why are you not asking the sparky who you are working with?
 
As previously stated the control circuit (coil) requires circuit protection. Fit a spur next to the contactor enclosure or a fuse within. Connect the fuse from the incoming supply at the contactor (neutral direct to the coil) then a two core to the grid switch to switch the line for the coil.
 
As previously stated the control circuit (coil) requires circuit protection. Fit a spur next to the contactor enclosure or a fuse within. Connect the fuse from the incoming supply at the contactor (neutral direct to the coil) then a two core to the grid switch to switch the line for the coil.
So new supply to spur? 6a mcb do?
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How come you have been paired with someone who is not interested in helping you learn things while you get qualified?
He’s subbing to us first time I’ve worked with him
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So new supply to spur? 6a mcb do?
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He’s subbing to us first time I’ve worked with him
So I can’t link from existing cooker supply which goes to contactor for my spur? This is on 32amp mcb
 
Oh I see so I can’t protect the coil with the 20amp DP fed from 32amp radial?

What's a 20A DP? A switch? Switches don't protect anything. In any case, no. A bare contactor is a panel component, not a complete appliance, so it doesn't have its own OCPD built in. You are expected to provide it as per the manufacturers' specs. Some ready-built contactors-in-enclosures bought off the shelf have the fuse included for your convenience.

Normal practice is to put say a T1A 5x20mm HRC cartridge in a DIN-rail mounted fuse terminal next to the contactor, fed from the contactor's main circuit. Then run a 1.0mm² control circuit L & SL to the gridswitch. Because there will then be two supplies in the gridswitch in a situation where this would not be expected, I would label this inside the grid.

Alternatively, you could fuse down a feed from the general appliance circuit, using say a 3A fuse in the grid, control it with a switch, and send SL & N to the contactor box. Make sure that the contactor would be adequately protected by such a fuse. As there would then be two supplies present in the contactor box, I would label that instead. Or, you could send an unfused feed from the control switch in suitable cable (e.g. 2.5mm² if that is adequately fault-protected by the 32A MCB) and add the fuse in the contactor box, which turns it into a fixed load that avoids having to protect the control cable run against overload.
 
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Similar to this, excuse my schematics.
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Similar to this, excuse my schematics.View attachment 54380
Spot on thanks, so link to the spur from cooker supply to contactor what size would that be? As that will be still protected by 32amp breaker although there’s no load on it?
Thanks
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What's a 20A DP? A switch? Switches don't protect anything. In any case, no. A bare contactor is a panel component, not a complete appliance, so it doesn't have its own OCPD built in. You are expected to provide it as per the manufacturers' specs. Some ready-built contactors-in-enclosures bought off the shelf have the fuse included for your convenience.

Normal practice is to put say a T1A 5x20mm HRC cartridge in a DIN-rail mounted fuse terminal next to the contactor, fed from the contactor's main circuit. Then run a 1.0mm² control circuit L & SL to the gridswitch. Because there will then be two supplies in the gridswitch in a situation where this would not be expected, I would label this inside the grid.

Alternatively, you could fuse down a feed from the general appliance circuit, using say a 3A fuse in the grid, control it with a switch, and send SL & N to the contactor box. Make sure that the contactor would be adequately protected by such a fuse. As there would then be two supplies present in the contactor box, I would label that instead. Or, you could send an unfused feed from the control switch in suitable cable (e.g. 2.5mm² if that is adequately fault-protected by the 32A MCB) and add the fuse in the contactor box, which turns it into a fixed load that avoids having to protect the control cable run against overload.
Thanks you’ve put that well I understand now sorry I’m still learning the best way
 
It won't need to take 32A as the load is dictated by the fuse for the control circuit. You need to ensure differing conductor csa at the contactor terminals are sound.
 
It won't need to take 32A as the load is dictated by the fuse for the control circuit. You need to ensure differing conductor csa at the contactor terminals are sound.
32A MCB 6mm in and 6mm out contactor to oven, 1.5mm from supply 6mm at contactor to fuse spur then 1.0mm to 20amp DP grid switch, L from Spur and SL back to A1 terminal with N link from load side of spur back to A2, sorry I appreciate your help just wanting to understand
 
32A MCB 6mm in and 6mm out contactor to oven, 1.5mm from supply 6mm at contactor to fuse spur then 1.0mm to 20amp DP grid switch, L from Spur and SL back to A1 terminal with N link from load side of spur back to A2, sorry I appreciate your help just wanting to understand

The neutral can come straight from the supply side of the contactor to A2.

This still doesn't address the question of whether this contactor will be left on 24/7 or only switched on when the cooker is being used?
 
The neutral can come straight from the supply side of the contactor to A2.

This still doesn't address the question of whether this contactor will be left on 24/7 or only switched on when the cooker is being used?
Only when in use, they have a gas oven so this is only being used when they have more people round at one time
 

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