Deciding if something is notifiable...

[jaydub]

Just installed a new 2-way RCD incomer board in a garage / car port. It is fed from a 'commercial' car workshop unit, but it's unclear as to whether the garage is domestic or commercial, i think really it would be tied in with the guys house but because it's supplied from the commercial unit, does this make it commercial?

If it is classed as commercial, this would mean that it does not fall under part p, so I would assume not notifiable? If in people's opinion the garage falls under domestic, would it then become notifiable?

I have full test results for my installation and everything is satisfactory under BS7671, I just don't see that point in putting a cert on it if I do not need to...

Let me know what you think, cheers

 

[The Ghost]

If you are saying a house with a garage has had a supply to an adjacent commercial garage there are probably future problems with that. I would say it is domestic and should have been supplied from the house. Only because if they sell the house and the garage (not commercial garage, domestic car port) will be in the strange position of having a supply from another property. Or if you sell the garage (commercial garage) they may want the supply to the house next doors garage removed. Perhaps I have misread your post? Can you draw a piccy?

 

[telectrix]

if the supplier's meter is in the car workshop, then anything fed from it is commercial, so part pee does not apply.you do, however, need to provide an EIC.

above is apart from any concerns expressed by vortigern concerning future disputes.

 

[Andy78]

I have full test results for my installation and everything is satisfactory under BS7671, I just don't see that point in putting a cert on it if I do not need to...

You need to issue an installation certificate regardless of any requirements to notify the work or not.

 

[jaydub]

The garage is that has had the installation is about 3 meters away from the commercial unit and about 20 meters from the house, I've explained it in a very confusing way, apologies for that.

As for the EIC, I'm with stroma, so would you just use their online software (which then notifies LABC I assume) or is there another program/app that people use JUST to literally make nice neat digital EIC's that could be printed or e-mailed?

Cheers

 

[Andy78]

You can use any EIC that contains the right info. You can download model forms for free off the IET website to print and hand write, you can but duplicate forms to hand write, you can also buy many different certification software packages to assist you doing this.

The Stroma online cert is also another option but I have no idea if this would automatically notify the job, but assume not. A notification is usually done in your installer portal.

I don't think this job sounds as if it will be notifiable as the supply is not shared with a dwelling, but Stroma would be the people to ask being your scheme provider.

 

[jaydub]

Okay thats helpful, cheers

 

[Wilko]

If the garage is on the same title as the house then it's likely to be considered as part of the domestic dwelling and its outbuildings, imho

 

[jaydub]

Okay, well to be fair I have no idea, the guy just wanted it all done 'through the business' so that's how it went down.

 

[jaydub]

Next question, unrelated to this job... When writing up an EIC for a new consumer unit in a domestic dwelling, would you put the extent of installation covered by this cert as 'the entire installation'?

The reason I ask is that even though I have changed the board and fiddled with EVERY circuit, I have not had anything to do with the actual installation of the circuits and wiring...

Also, when writing a certificate for this would it be an EIC with a schedule of test results and inspection or an EICR with schedule of tests and inspections?

 

[Andy78]

Next question, unrelated to this job... When writing up an EIC for a new consumer unit in a domestic dwelling, would you put the extent of installation covered by this cert as 'the entire installation'?

The reason I ask is that even though I have changed the board and fiddled with EVERY circuit, I have not had anything to do with the actual installation of the circuits and wiring...

You would write the extent of work as "Change of consumer unit. Testing carried out for all existing circuits" or something similar.

 

[jaydub]

Thanks Andy

 

[jaydub]

Also, when writing a certificate for this would it be an EIC with a schedule of test results and inspection or an EICR with schedule of tests and inspections?

 

[Andy78]

Are you very new to the trade ?

I'm not trying to be rude, but some of these questions are quite basic in their nature.

 

[Upton Sparks]

The reason I ask is that even though I have changed the board and fiddled with EVERY circuit, I have not had anything to do with the actual installation of the circuits and wiring...

But if you asking this because there are some item you think are a bit rough, or you know there rough, then make a comment on the Electrical installation certificate,

"The installation is to a poor standard, cables have been poorly installed, and a EICR should be under taken".
Or
" The standard of installation is of an unsatisfactory standard"

It may not be your installed work but you're there, and if its wrong, say it, you might get some more work out of it at best and at worst if something happen then the customer cant say, " but I had a spark in and he didn't say there was anything was wrong with it your honour.... look I've got this paper work"