distribution board

[Sonia Norman]

Hi

I was wondering if anybody has come across black stub slv? My mums church consumer unit is a nightmare. All of the connections are black stub slv, with half on them not marked as live. Thats ok for the ones that were already connected in the board. But in the board were some wires just connected loose in connector blocks! None of the circuits have an earth either. The main earth bond is there, i have just never come across a board that does not have a seperate earth with each circuit.

 

[Pete999]

To early for the popcorn isn't it?

 

[shanky887614]

 

[Knobhead]

It is a bit early and I’ve just taken my morning medication so popcorn wont sit well on top of them.

Sonia, take a bit of advice, walk away.
It’s clear you haven’t a clue what you’re doing and if it goes wrong………… It may be a church, god won’t help you if insurance gets involved.

 

[Tidy Max]

So cut the top bit off with the holes in it and use that as the template

My point is that it doesn't matter how many there are in there, the job should be done properly and not bodged with turning old DBs into unnecessary joint boxes.

Is it really that bad to extend the circuits? I appreciate if there wasn't space then a direct swap would be necessary but given the additional work and not to mention the problems that could be created from moving the old micc. Installing a JB and extending the circuits to a new DB seems like quite a logical solution.

Forgetting the dumbing down of the trade etc what is so bad about extending the cables?

 

[shanky887614]

Is it really that bad to extend the circuits? I appreciate if there wasn't space then a direct swap would be necessary but given the additional work and not to mention the problems that could be created from moving the old micc. Installing a JB and extending the circuits to a new DB seems like quite a logical solution.

Forgetting the dumbing down of the trade etc what is so bad about extending the cables?

davespark is stuck up his own arse is the problem, he seems to be forgetting the fact a modern board will probably be bigger as well so might need a new location.

nothing wrong with joints in any circuits according to the regs as long as there maintenance free or accessible so why would a jb not be allowed?

 

[Jonspark]

Is it really that bad to extend the circuits? I appreciate if there wasn't space then a direct swap would be necessary but given the additional work and not to mention the problems that could be created from moving the old micc. Installing a JB and extending the circuits to a new DB seems like quite a logical solution.

Forgetting the dumbing down of the trade etc what is so bad about extending the cables?

Wash your mouth out young man, how dare you, don't you know that all professional electricians on here must keep up with the notion that there are the worlds best and anything like that would be a disgrace!!!

 

[shanky887614]

Wash your mouth out young man, how dare you, don't you know that all professional electricians on here must keep up with the notion that they are the worlds best and anything like that would be a disgrace!!!

corrected that for you

 

[Pete999]

Using the existing enclosure as a junction box, is not such a bad idea if you think about it logically. Not sure how many bare MICCs there are, but, think about the problems when dealing with old existing MICCs, the problems that could arise from trying to move them about into a new DB, doesn't bare thinking about, it's not ideal I grant you, but probably the best idea, I have done it this way on many occasions, done properly it doesn't look to bad, that's my take anyway, like it or lump it.

 

[UNG]

Is it really that bad to extend the circuits? I appreciate if there wasn't space then a direct swap would be necessary but given the additional work and not to mention the problems that could be created from moving the old micc. Installing a JB and extending the circuits to a new DB seems like quite a logical solution.

Forgetting the dumbing down of the trade etc what is so bad about extending the cables?

So you would create additional work making up a JB rather than a minor rework of the pyro to suit the newboard

davespark is stuck up his own arse is the problem, he seems to be forgetting the fact a modern board will probably be bigger as well so might need a new location.

nothing wrong with joints in any circuits according to the regs as long as there maintenance free or accessible so why would a jb not be allowed?

May be it is you that are up the darkside up to 15 - 20 years ago this was a bread and butter job and only slightly more complicated than swapping a domestic CU to those with MICC experience, adding jb's or converting enclosures to jb's is just creating unnecessary clutter

Yes pyro can become work hardened but it doesn't mean it cannot be reworked into a new board if needed if the old board has a removable gland plate I would possibly be tempted to make this fit the new board to save some aggro but if it doesn't as previous posters have said it is not that difficult to drill the new board to suit


I think this is a bit of an ambitious job for the OP as a first job and even with the assistance of an experienced spark it won't give you instant competence on MICC work as there are quite a few different termination methods that have been used over the years and you still find the aluminium variants very occasionally

 

[Jonspark]

corrected that for you

Damn, another personal failure to add to the list

 

[Jonspark]

Using the existing enclosure as a junction box, is not such a bad idea if you think about it logically. Not sure how many bare MICCs there are, but, think about the problems when dealing with old existing MICCs, the problems that could arise from trying to move them about into a new DB, doesn't bare thinking about, it's not ideal I grant you, but probably the best idea, I have done it this way on many occasions, done properly it doesn't look to bad, that's my take anyway, like it or lump it.

Aaaahhhhh! stop it stop it stop it.