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So the story is i want to train in France and i'm due to start the training next Monday, although due to a change in circumstances we will be moving back to the UK after my current house sells.

I'm now wondering whether there's any point spending several months and several hundred hours working for free in various companies to get this qualificqtion if it's not going to be acceptable in the UK ?

I'm not sure what i'd have to do to convert the qualification over.

Anyone got any insight?

Thanks a bunch guys.
 
I read some stuff about NARIC but they don't accept French quals apparently.
It seems that NARIC will accept any qualification and issue a "Statement of Compatibility" giving details of the UK equivalent, so puzzled to know where you got that information.
 
It seems that NARIC will accept any qualification and issue a "Statement of Compatibility" giving details of the UK equivalent, so puzzled to know where you got that information.
Actually i think i misread something. I was getting my info from this page: Overseas electricians – Electrical Qualifications - https://electricalqualifications.com/overseas-electricians/

NARIC documents
The EU have set up a mechanism for qualification equivalence between countries in the EU, this mechanism is known as NARIC. A NARIC document does not mean that an EU qualification can automatically be used in another EU country.
NARIC measures the level of the qualification (ie Level 2, 3 etc), it does not measure the relative competency and content of courses. For this reason NARIC documents are not generally accepted as proof of UK qualifications.

I read the last sentence as '...proof of EU qualifications'.

Although i do wonder how this bit all fits in:

JIB-approved license countries
The UK organisation Joint Industry Board sets the UK standards for the employment and grading of electricians. JIB has approved some countries as having electrical qualifications equivalent to those in the UK, those countries are: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland, South Africa, and the USA.
To work in the UK you will need to provide proof of your licence and:
Pass the following assessments:

Other countries
In addition to the above assessments, you will need to undergo a JIB Mature Candidate Assessment.
If you want to find work as an electrician doing domestic installations, you can work with your existing documents as an electricians mate with a contracting company. You cannot sign off your own work and you will not be accepted for work in construction, commercial or industrial companies.
If NARIC accept documentation why do people outside of the countries mentioned above have to do assessments like the AM2 etc?

Obviously it makes sense that you have to pass the regs exam because they are different in each country but it would be odd to accept a fully qualified persons quals through NARIC and then tell them they have to do exams to prove they are competent no?
 
why spend time hear in uk where the rule of law is you cock up ,and go to jail card in your pocket ,or work and train in france and its free.
me i would learn in france and have a couple of wines with the 4 hours they work
so if you cock up there ,they will burn you at the steak ..
 
why spend time hear in uk where the rule of law is you cock up ,and go to jail card in your pocket ,or work and train in france and its free.
me i would learn in france and have a couple of wines with the 4 hours they work
so if you cock up there ,they will burn you at the steak ..
The point was i'm coming back to the UK but have to twiddle my thumbs here until my house sells. But i don't want to learn the French way and then have to redo all my training to be able to get a gold card in the UK, i'd rather just do it there and be UK qualified.
 
You could always spend your time trying to understand the French plumbing system... that should keep you busy for some time.
6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22mm pipework, crap fittings, odd systems, braised pipes and 4 bar of pressure...what's not to love.
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Your now talking yourself out of free training, at least you will have the fundamentals of electrical installations, you can't loose by doing the course for nothing.
It's 120km round trip every day to get there, and if my house sells between now and May i will have nowhere to stay and will have to drop out anyway, and if i take it on we have to buy another car for my wife, which this being France means dropping 5+ grand on a 15 year old Citroen that's been to the moon and back twice.

If i could easily just show my certs and become legally able to work as a fully qualified spark in the UK afterwards then it's still cheaper than UK training. If not it makes it much, much more expensive.
 
Hi,having spoke to a few of my pals,who regularly work in France,the level of competency of the French sparks,they are compelled to employ....has been "wanting" :rolleyes:

....This,of course,maybe no indication of the quality of the nations training institutions...but some are evading it...:cool:
 
So the story is i want to train in France and i'm due to start the training next Monday, although due to a change in circumstances we will be moving back to the UK after my current house sells.

I'm now wondering whether there's any point spending several months and several hundred hours working for free in various companies to get this qualificqtion if it's not going to be acceptable in the UK ?

I'm not sure what i'd have to do to convert the qualification over.
Well you certainly have changed your mind from your first post.

Plumbing in France is mostly plastic now days, horrible swage fittings, the good thing about copper in France is that each size of pipe fit's inside the next size up so soldering is easy, lots of fallacy about brazing, but solder is acceptable, pressure should be 3bar with the Ballon safety valve set at 7bar anything over 3bar and it will compromise ceramic valve taps eventually, also lots of rumours of not being allowed a loft tank, but then central heating with a wood burner (majority of rural properties) must have an expansion tank, so lots of false information abounds about Plumbing in France, a bit like the electrical regulations. :eek:
 
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Hi,having spoke to a few of my pals,who regularly work in France,the level of competency of the French sparks,they are compelled to employ....has been "wanting" :rolleyes:

....This,of course,maybe no indication of the quality of the nations training institutions...but some are evading it...:cool:
In my experience working in the building trade here the tradesmen are very picky about the way they do things and a proper electrician is putting out quality, safe work. I've seen a lot more rubbish work in the UK, but one of the problems here is there are so many old systems that have been fudged. My house was declared as unsafe and my supply was cut by ENEDIS soon after i moved in, for safety reasons, and yet there had been a 93 year old woman living here before us.

The quality on site is probably due to a 35 hour work week not including the massive lunch breaks they take and the fact that they are paid like crap! Cards in sparks jobs here are basically only a little bit above minimum wage, whereas self employed guys are charging anywhere from 200-700 a day. Cards in jobs are averaging around 1700euro before tax - minimum wage (called SMIC) is 1500 a month.

One spark wanted 900 euro to fix a consumer unit to the wall in my mates house, no wiring done. OK, the big 4 rail Le Grand units are like 600 euro but he wanted 900 in total just to literally put 4 screws on the wall and put the tails in, half hours work.
Plumbing in France is mostly plastic now days, horrible swage fittings, the good thing about copper in France is that each size of pipe fit's inside the next size up so soldering is easy, lots of fallacy about brazing, but solder is acceptable, pressure should be 3bar with the Ballon safety valve set at 7bar anything over 3bar and it will compromise ceramic valve taps eventually, also lots of rumours of not being allowed a loft tank, but then central heating with a wood burner (majority of rural properties) must have an expansion tank, so lots of false information abounds about Plumbing in France, a bit like the electrical regulations. :eek:
I just know from doing my own plumbing in my own house that the fittings are atrocious. Every single part of them. The most expensive toilet cistern mechanism you can buy is garbage quality. The fittings are crap, whether from a brico or a professional plumbing place (i've used both), the compression fittings almost always leak without ptfe when the entire point of a compression fitting is you shouldn't need ptfe. Horrible all round. The plastic stuff is crap too.

A professional plumbing centre told me you were only allowed to solder gas joints and not water joints due to the pressure. He said you used to be able to but the rules had changed (this was in 2017.) Not sure how true or whether he was just trying to sell me his hideously expensive braizing stuff. I just ended up using push fit brass fittings since the compression fittings are terrible.

4 bar is standard in farm houses - i've got one and i've been in several others and it's always set to 4 bar. Not a problem when you have a regulator attached to the incoming mains as you can simply turn it down which i've done here.

Not sure about most rural properties having a brouilleur with the burner, i've seen one in the more than 200 farm houses i've been in. Most people have a burner with no boiler or electric rads.

That said, you definitely can have a header tank set up. It's things like electric showers that aren't allowed and lots of expats try to bring them with them. I nearly did until i realised my pressure + a water heater does the job better than any shower i've ever had.
 
Shame this is not a plumbing forum I could put you our of your misery, you have been taken for a ride on more than one item in that post.
I see one part about where some plumbing store for professionals told me one thing, which i admitted could be false, and the rest is all personal opinion mixed with factual information.

I just know from doing my own plumbing in my own house that the fittings are atrocious. Every single part of them. The most expensive toilet cistern mechanism you can buy is garbage quality. The fittings are crap, whether from a brico or a professional plumbing place (i've used both), the compression fittings almost always leak without ptfe when the entire point of a compression fitting is you shouldn't need ptfe. Horrible all round. The plastic stuff is crap too.
All opinion.

4 bar is standard in farm houses - i've got one and i've been in several others and it's always set to 4 bar. Not a problem when you have a regulator attached to the incoming mains as you can simply turn it down which i've done here.
Fact.

Not sure about most rural properties having a brouilleur with the burner, i've seen one in the more than 200 farm houses i've been in. Most people have a burner with no boiler or electric rads.
More facts.

That said, you definitely can have a header tank set up. It's things like electric showers that aren't allowed and lots of expats try to bring them with them. I nearly did until i realised my pressure + a water heater does the job better than any shower i've ever had.
More facts... - you're not allowed anything electric in zone 1 (ie the shower).

So not sure what you're referencing to be honest.
 
You even contradict yourself, you say 4 bar is standard and then say it's turned down to 4 bar, make up your mind, my French Farm house has nothing like what you have experienced or what I have seen, you seem to be throwing out statements as fact, but please yourself you obviously know far more than I do.
 
You even contradict yourself, you say 4 bar is standard and then say it's turned down to 4 bar, make up your mind, my French Farm house has nothing like what you have experienced or what I have seen, you seem to be throwing out statements as fact, but please yourself you obviously know far more than I do.
It comes in at 4 bar. Same on every rural property i've been in. I don't know why you're arguing with me, i literally live in a French farm house, have been in about 200 others and looked at about 30 others before buying this one. The pressure always comes in at 4 bar, and the regulator is set at 4 bar until someone turns it down. YOU seem to think you know it all and are now throwing a paddy because someone contradicted you. I'm not making things up, i'm literally telling you how it is here and what French people have told me in shops etc.

I'm going by what i see. Like your statement about people mostly using back boilers isn't true at all. So i said it's not true. Sorry that offends you.

Are you sure you're going by first hand experience or are you rehashing third hand anecdotal tales from other expats ? I presume you actually speak fluent French ?
 

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