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Wilko

Just a bit bit stumped by the simplicity of a job to add another external light to a new build (about 5 years old). They have 3 external lights and they want a 4th. Easy. SWA emerges into adaptable and then flex used to cable the existing external lights. I'm just stopped by how to do it neatly as I won't be leaving flex exposed like this. I've been looking but not found an external equivalent of D-Line (say). Any suggestions appreciated :) Cheers.

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[QUOTE="HandySparks,

Or NYY-J, if black is OK. Tougher than flex or T&E.[/QUOTE]

Good call
I wonder why its not available in white ?

I tend to think of UV rays getting reflected back by white whilst a black is absorbing more.
I must be wrong, but know not why :(
 
[QUOTE="HandySparks,

Or NYY-J, if black is OK. Tougher than flex or T&E.

Good call
I wonder why its not available in white ?

I tend to think of UV rays getting reflected back by white whilst a black is absorbing more.
I must be wrong, but know not why :([/QUOTE]

I don't think you are wrong. That's why the villas in spain and other hot country's are painted white. I was always told to wear light/white colours in summer, as it reflects the heat.......but then why do firemen wear black?????? The mind boggles.lol
 
Black and white are the same colour we only see a difference because white reflects light whilst black absorbs it, we live in a colourless world it is all to do with light reflection and our visual interpretation which we generally all see the same except for those deemed"colour blind". The black cable may get hotter than white but it is less prone to damage from uv radiation.
 
chase it in. :)
Man after my own heart. I did test the water and it was not well received. He's happy with a bit of diy flex nailed to his render. The flex is floppy like that (in the pic) cause his toddler hangs off it, I bet. One day it could go horribly wrong, so I'm planning on fixing them all at the same time if I can find something cheap and neat.
 
This is my take on why black cable is better than white, being used in sunlight.

Over time, exposure to the UV radiation in sunlight will degrade plastics. Polymer photodegradation occurs when non-visible UV radiation made up of short wave lengths breaks down the polymer chains in plastics. This process results in the deterioration of physical properties such as loss of impact strength, changes in colour, cracking, loss of elongation and tensile strength or chalking of the surface. For example, garden chairs lose their gloss and become brittle, the colour of stadium seats appears chalky and some plastics will yellow and crack.

UV radiation accounts for only 4.6% of the solar spectrum. It is calculated in nanometers (nm) and ranges between 280 and 400, but the most aggressive part of the UVB range is the very short wavelengths between 280 and 315 nanometers. The amount of radiation energy exposure (irradiation) depends on where you are in the world. Irradiation is the radiation energy incident over a specific area over a given period of time.

1Ly = 1 cal/cm2 = 4.184 E4Joule/m2

Thus the amount of energy transmitted to a plastic part in one year of continuous outdoor use is 220kcal/cm2/year in Sudan while in Sweden it is 70.

Each plastic is sensitive to certain wavelengths within the 290-400 nm UV region.

Polypropylene has three maxima at 290-300, 330 and 370 nm. The range for nylon is 290-315 and PVC homopolymer is 320.

Polymer photodegradation occurs when UV light from the sun is absorbed by chemical groups in the polymer formation called chromophores. The polymer formula may include other additives such as halogenated flame retardants, fillers and pigments. UV stabilizers have been developed and are added to a polymer to inhibit the photoinitiation processes. The top three types are Ultraviolet Absorbers, Quenchers and Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers (HALS).

1) Ultraviolet Absorbers

Absorbers are a type of light stabilizer that functions by competing with the chromophores to absorb UV radiation. Absorbers change harmful UV radiation into harmless infrared radiation or heat that is dissipated through the polymer matrix. Carbon black is one of the most effective and commonly used light absorbers. Another UV absorber is rutile titanium oxide which is effective in the 300-400 nm range but is not very useful in the very short wavelength UVB range below 315. Hydroxybenzophenone and hydroxyphenylbenzotriazole are also well known UV stabilizers that have the advantage of being suitable for neutral or transparent applications. Hydroxyphenylbenzotriazole is not very useful in thin parts below 100 microns. Other UV absorbers include oxanilides for polyamides, benzophenones for PVC and benzotriazoles and hydroxyphenyltriazines for polycarbonate. UV absorbers have the benefit of low cost but may be useful only for short-term exposure

2) Quenchers

Quenchers return excited states of the chromophores to ground states by an energy transfer process. The energy transfer agent functions by quenching the excited state of a carbonyl group formed during the photo-oxidation of a plastic material and through the decomposition of hydroperoxides. This prevents bond cleavage and ultimately the formation of free radicals. Nickel quenchers are a common type used in agricultural film production. These are not widely used as they contain heavy metal and contribute tan or green colours to the final product. Nickel quenchers are not as effective as the Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers discussed next.

3) Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers (HALS)

HALS are long-term thermal stabilizers that act by trapping free radicals formed during the photo-oxidation of a plastic material and thus limiting the photodegradation process. The ability of Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers to scavenge radicals created by UV absorption is explained by the formation of nitroxly radicals through a process known as the Denisov Cycle.

Although there are wide structural differences in the HALS products commercially available, all share the 2,2,6,6-tetramethylpiperidine ring structure. HALS are some of the most proficient

UV stabilizers for a wide range of plastics. For example, HALS has enabled the growth of polypropylene in the automotive industry. While HALS are also very effective in polyolefins, polyethylene and polyurethane they are not useful in PVC.

As all three function by different mechanisms, they are often combined into synergistic UV absorbing additives. For example, benzotriazoles are often combined with HALS to protect pigmented systems from fading and colour changes.

And you all thought I was just a lowly domestic electrician :D
 
This is my take on why black cable is better than white, being used in sunlight.

Over time, exposure to the UV radiation in sunlight will degrade plastics. Polymer photodegradation occurs when non-visible UV radiation made up of short wave lengths breaks down the polymer chains in plastics. This process results in the deterioration of physical properties such as loss of impact strength, changes in colour, cracking, loss of elongation and tensile strength or chalking of the surface. For example, garden chairs lose their gloss and become brittle, the colour of stadium seats appears chalky and some plastics will yellow and crack.

UV radiation accounts for only 4.6% of the solar spectrum. It is calculated in nanometers (nm) and ranges between 280 and 400, but the most aggressive part of the UVB range is the very short wavelengths between 280 and 315 nanometers. The amount of radiation energy exposure (irradiation) depends on where you are in the world. Irradiation is the radiation energy incident over a specific area over a given period of time.

1Ly = 1 cal/cm2 = 4.184 E4Joule/m2

Thus the amount of energy transmitted to a plastic part in one year of continuous outdoor use is 220kcal/cm2/year in Sudan while in Sweden it is 70.

Each plastic is sensitive to certain wavelengths within the 290-400 nm UV region.

Polypropylene has three maxima at 290-300, 330 and 370 nm. The range for nylon is 290-315 and PVC homopolymer is 320.

Polymer photodegradation occurs when UV light from the sun is absorbed by chemical groups in the polymer formation called chromophores. The polymer formula may include other additives such as halogenated flame retardants, fillers and pigments. UV stabilizers have been developed and are added to a polymer to inhibit the photoinitiation processes. The top three types are Ultraviolet Absorbers, Quenchers and Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers (HALS).

1) Ultraviolet Absorbers

Absorbers are a type of light stabilizer that functions by competing with the chromophores to absorb UV radiation. Absorbers change harmful UV radiation into harmless infrared radiation or heat that is dissipated through the polymer matrix. Carbon black is one of the most effective and commonly used light absorbers. Another UV absorber is rutile titanium oxide which is effective in the 300-400 nm range but is not very useful in the very short wavelength UVB range below 315. Hydroxybenzophenone and hydroxyphenylbenzotriazole are also well known UV stabilizers that have the advantage of being suitable for neutral or transparent applications. Hydroxyphenylbenzotriazole is not very useful in thin parts below 100 microns. Other UV absorbers include oxanilides for polyamides, benzophenones for PVC and benzotriazoles and hydroxyphenyltriazines for polycarbonate. UV absorbers have the benefit of low cost but may be useful only for short-term exposure

2) Quenchers

Quenchers return excited states of the chromophores to ground states by an energy transfer process. The energy transfer agent functions by quenching the excited state of a carbonyl group formed during the photo-oxidation of a plastic material and through the decomposition of hydroperoxides. This prevents bond cleavage and ultimately the formation of free radicals. Nickel quenchers are a common type used in agricultural film production. These are not widely used as they contain heavy metal and contribute tan or green colours to the final product. Nickel quenchers are not as effective as the Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers discussed next.

3) Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers (HALS)

HALS are long-term thermal stabilizers that act by trapping free radicals formed during the photo-oxidation of a plastic material and thus limiting the photodegradation process. The ability of Hindered Amine Light Stabilizers to scavenge radicals created by UV absorption is explained by the formation of nitroxly radicals through a process known as the Denisov Cycle.

Although there are wide structural differences in the HALS products commercially available, all share the 2,2,6,6-tetramethylpiperidine ring structure. HALS are some of the most proficient

UV stabilizers for a wide range of plastics. For example, HALS has enabled the growth of polypropylene in the automotive industry. While HALS are also very effective in polyolefins, polyethylene and polyurethane they are not useful in PVC.

As all three function by different mechanisms, they are often combined into synergistic UV absorbing additives. For example, benzotriazoles are often combined with HALS to protect pigmented systems from fading and colour changes.

And you all thought I was just a lowly domestic electrician :D
Well I did wonder, LOL joke
 
There does not seem to be a button for "reasonable at cut and paste but not perfect at removing links to the site from which it was taken!"
However very useful information, thank you.

How very dare you sir. Taken partly from my dissertation where I obtained 2:1 degree Mathematics and Astrophysics BSc. Would of been first class honours, if it hadn't been for that poxy link, which I missed.

I'm so much taken for granted and overlooked. Good at brain surgery and rocket science, as well. :p

PS no pulling the wool over your eyes, eh Richard ;)
 
Any how's, putting on my cordon bleu hat (yes I know, does this man have no limits to his talents), Barbie out tonight for steaks tonite. Just cleaned the BBQ with some of that Paul Masson plonk, removed all the grease & muck no problem. Just left with that stupid bottle, my try putting a ship in it or something.
 
The Paul Masson replacement is starting to flow, so my posts might not make any sense other than to me.

Strip steaks, horseradish sauce with caramelised onions, and a few teeny weeny chips.

Ps did like Edwin Starr mind.
 
I think you are all racist!!!! Making the black cable suffer all the external influences. Heat, UV and the cold whilst the white (lsf) & grey (pvc) get an easy time of it laying back drinking cups of tea in the nice and warm insulation and on cable tray/basket..... You should all be ashamed of yourselves :p
 

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